Michael Carter has been visiting us and opening our eyes since 2017. We recorded a podcast with him when we were still rehearsing back then but the audio was unlistenable so we never posted it. Michael's visit for the Symposium this weekend coincided with some strange circumstances (pandemic and demonstrations/riots) but we finally got him into the studio for a conversation about ... the human condition and the widely differing conditions of human experience. Michael grew up on the south side of Chicago, lives and works in the city, he is educated, eloquent, open-minded and every conversation we have ever had with him has challenged us in a way few other have. This one was no different.