Thurk joined us for Ep. 86 when Joe Holmes spoke truth through several glasses of wine, and ever since we have been waiting for him to join us solo. This conversation occurred prior to the May 30th Symposium, before protests and riots and free assembly in our space as well as in the streets. Thurk changed over that weekend — attending the protest-turned-riot early on Saturday, and the riot-gone-violent later that evening to capture images. The following week he photographed protests in Denver and his images from there and SLC are very compelling. See some at www.mthurk.com and @mthurk on IG. Because the protests began in earnest after this conversation we spoke nothing of it, instead focusing on creativity or its lack under lockdown, and Thurk pressured us to keep creating despite however we feel during this period because, "art IS essential."