Julia and Ben hail from the Carolinas and despite the uncertainty, flew and drove west to attend the May 30th Symposium. Having attended and contributed to the February Symposium — before COVID really kicked in, before protests and riots — they valued the conversation and exchange enough to return. Julia is a medical care professional and promised some rage regarding the current system and how it might be improved but what I heard was sober thought, predicated on the back of more than a decade of experience. Of course we detoured down some rabbit holes but overall, the insight present in this discussion was refreshing and maybe, slightly ... hopeful.