Jamie is a psychiatric nurse who is between contracts and using his time to travel, fly parachutes, speed wings and wing suits, take in the occasional MTB ride, do a little surfing and paddle boarding, and generally keeping a low profile while pursuing these forms of active meditation. He dropped by the NonProphet Event Center for a live conversation, and to meet in person, which we hadn't yet done after becoming acquainted via social media. The 3hr 40min conversation flowed over a variety of topics, one of them being a route I climbed with Randy Rackliff in 1988. At one point Jamie declared, "How terrifyingly cool," after I described the ice cliffs calving-off above and missing us because the pitch we were on was so steep. Regarding events surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic he said, "It's harder to become positive now than it is to become negative — and I'm choosing the hard path," and that is a solid, difficult choice to make and then live. Tune in, break the convo into chunks if you have to, but see it through because it's a good one.