On this episode of Behavior Gap Radio, Carl wrestles with the tension between escape and engagement, reflecting on a moment when watching football brought him to tears—not because of the game, but because he knew he was avoiding something deeper. Drawing from Camus, Rumi, and Lao Tzu, he explores the idea that meaning is found through active exploration, even when part of us just wants to check out. What happens when we go too far into our escapes? Maybe that’s where the truth finally reveals itself.

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