On July 23rd, 2020 we dove headfirst into a conversation about racism. Present were Mark, Michael, Kegan, Patrick (Kegan's father) and Mike Thurk, whose eyes were opened when he attended protests here in SLC on May 30th, coincident with the NonProphet Symposium held that weekend. The protests turned to riots rather quickly and it was all within earshot and sometimes sight of our building. Thurk returned to Colorado, participated in events in Denver and Aurora, photographed, conversed, considered, meditated and returned to NonProphet two months later to share what he had discovered, to challenge our positions, and to help steer the discussion while we all worked out what our ideas are. This is a difficult topic and this is our most dangerous podcast episode ever.