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13. That’s Why You Have Scrolls!
Jared, Oriana and Ned talk about Ned’s choice of topic: Dennis L.
McKiernan’s Silver Call Duology! Originally conceived in the late seventies
and then published in the eighties, it is clearly meant to be a sequel to The
Lord of the Rings in practically every aspect but name. Or rather, names, a
lot of which are infelicitous at best, to Ned’s amusement and Jared and
Oriana’s loud annoyance, in this, our longest episode so far. (Also, frankly,
our sweariest—not constantly, but those with younger household members should
take a little care!) Is this the most (excessively) detailed, formally
published fanwork ever in terms of Tolkien? Why in the world is there an elf
character named Shannon? Did McKiernan have any real sense about how poetry
works, much less invented languages? (And what’s with his apostrophes?) How
does McKiernan’s work slot in among the other post-Tolkien fantasies of its
time and place? Exactly how many analogs to the Orcs are there, and why are
they then named so many different ways—without vowels? Is there in fact an
actually intriguing part to anything in the story? And above all else, exactly
why is the character of Cotton so incredibly annoying?
Show Notes.
Jared’s
doodle for
the episode. That really is the best part of the whole story.
The Amazon series
shutdown,
as originally reported by the NZ Herald.
That...odd...tweet
from the Amazon Lord of the Rings Twitter account.
TheOneRing.net’s report on the death of Andrew
Jack and tributes
from various castmembers from Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings films.
Oriana’s old Vox piece on
languages and filming.
BluBlockers! Don’t say you
don’t remember.
Dennis L. McKiernan’s site. Based on a Twitter
post from a few
months ago, we fully appreciate his views on current world leaders, shall we
say.
Post-Tolkien fantasy is indeed a thing and a term. (And there’s much more
discussion out there.)
Support By-The-Water on Patreon, and/or tell
your friends about the show! Thanks.
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By Jared Pechaček, Oriana Scwindt, and Ned Raggett
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Jared, Oriana and Ned talk about Ned’s choice of topic: Dennis L.
McKiernan’s Silver Call Duology! Originally conceived in the late seventies
and then published in the eighties, it is clearly meant to be a sequel to The
Lord of the Rings in practically every aspect but name. Or rather, names, a
lot of which are infelicitous at best, to Ned’s amusement and Jared and
Oriana’s loud annoyance, in this, our longest episode so far. (Also, frankly,
our sweariest—not constantly, but those with younger household members should
take a little care!) Is this the most (excessively) detailed, formally
published fanwork ever in terms of Tolkien? Why in the world is there an elf
character named Shannon? Did McKiernan have any real sense about how poetry
works, much less invented languages? (And what’s with his apostrophes?) How
does McKiernan’s work slot in among the other post-Tolkien fantasies of its
time and place? Exactly how many analogs to the Orcs are there, and why are
they then named so many different ways—without vowels? Is there in fact an
actually intriguing part to anything in the story? And above all else, exactly
why is the character of Cotton so incredibly annoying?
Show Notes.
Jared’s
doodle for
the episode. That really is the best part of the whole story.
The Amazon series
shutdown,
as originally reported by the NZ Herald.
That...odd...tweet
from the Amazon Lord of the Rings Twitter account.
TheOneRing.net’s report on the death of Andrew
Jack and tributes
from various castmembers from Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings films.
Oriana’s old Vox piece on
languages and filming.
BluBlockers! Don’t say you
don’t remember.
Dennis L. McKiernan’s site. Based on a Twitter
post from a few
months ago, we fully appreciate his views on current world leaders, shall we
say.
Post-Tolkien fantasy is indeed a thing and a term. (And there’s much more
discussion out there.)
Support By-The-Water on Patreon, and/or tell
your friends about the show! Thanks.
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