The pithy, dashing and positively-pessimistic momager of The House Of Avalon joins me to talk Mama’s Family, codependency, a rocky childhood, cardboard people, emotional intelligence, “The Wizard Of Oz”, Symone on Kimmel, raising your parents, Opal (who runs salad), meeting Marko, the gift of gay, retail poisoning, Sugar Tank, “Batman Returns”, the magic and horror of Los Angeles, Avalon TV, southern charms, learning from low times and much more!

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