Global Freedom, Freedom Of Movement, Territorial Tax Systems, Plan B Strategy, Latin America, Panama, China And The West, Family Sovereignty, Bitcoin Friendly Jurisdictions, Free Cities, Exit Thinking, Purpose And Meaning, UBI, CBDCs.

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Timothy Allen speaks with Mikkel Thorup.

Mikkel is a long-time expat, offshore consultant, and founder of Expat Money. He has spent over 25 years living outside his country of birth, traveled to more than 120 countries, and works directly with families, entrepreneurs, and high earners looking to reduce friction with the systems they live under.

What begins with travel stories from Central Asia and reflections on cultural psychology quickly expands into a deeper conversation about freedom, perspective, and trade-offs. Mikkel challenges Western assumptions about liberty, compares overt and hidden forms of control, and argues that many people do not actually want freedom once responsibility enters the picture.

From China and the Middle East to Panama and Latin America, the discussion maps where real-world freedom is increasing, where it is quietly disappearing, and why jurisdictions with territorial tax systems and diversified revenue models are becoming magnets for mobile families. Along the way, Mikkel explains why Panama functions as a de facto city-state, how offshore structures really work in practice, and why physical communities matter more than online movements alone.

The second half of the conversation moves into harder territory: public education, UBI, loss of purpose, and why meaning, struggle, and family remain central even in a world of optionality. Rather than offering slogans or hacks, the episode stays grounded in lived experience, trade-offs, and personal responsibility.

Enjoy the conversation.

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SHOW SPONSOR: Veritas Villages: https://www.veritasvillages.com/freecities

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Veritas Villages are building off-grid, energy self-sufficient communities for freedom lovers in Latin America. Bitcoin is accepted at all villages, including for the purchase of property.

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Previous interviews with Patrick Hiebert, Founder of Veritas Villages:

EP 156: https://fountain.fm/episode/66NqAclTBh7FByIX7lCq

EP 107: https://fountain.fm/episode/Fh6uGwZvVtPsYsR53pTI

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