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On Episode 169, I'm joined by singer-songwriter Joe Pug, who released The Diving Sun, his latest full-length, this past Friday. Pug is also the host of The Working Songwriter, a podcast where he speaks with other songwriters and musicians about their craft and songwriting in general. During this episode, we talk about the evolution and writing of The Diving Sun, creating during the past year, NFTs, Clubhouse, songwriters like Joe Ely, and developing The Working Songwriter over the past few years.

This episode's presenting partner is Desert Door Texas Sotol. In addition, this episode is sponsored by WYLD Gallery, The Blue Light Live, and Hot Damn Coffee.

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