Most businesses assume staying profitable means staying on mission. But for Eric Ries, creator of The Lean Startup and author of the new book Incorruptible, the real threat to any great company isn't a bad quarter, it's the slow, systemic loss of the thing that made it worth building in the first place.

In this episode, Matt Poepsel sits down with Eric to dig into why good companies go bad, why trustworthiness is the most underrated asset in business, and how our conventional definition of profit has been quietly destroying value for decades. Eric challenges the idea that greed is just a personality flaw, making the case that most corporate decline is structural and entirely preventable. Together, they explore what it actually means to be mission-driven, why shareholder primacy is a recent invention and not a natural law, and how leaders can build organizations strong enough to resist the forces that corrupt them.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• Why Companies Lose Their Way: How success itself attracts the forces that eventually dismantle a company's mission
• The Problem with Profit: Why the conventional definition leaves leaders blind to the value they're destroying and the value they're missing
• Trust as a Business Strategy: How trustworthy organizations outperform, outretain, and outlast their competitors
• Mission-Driven vs. Mission-Hopeful: The difference between carving values on a wall and actually embedding them into how your business works
• The Shareholder Primacy Myth: Why this dominant business philosophy is younger than most people think and why its era may already be over

Highlights:
(00:00) Meet Eric Ries 
(1:04) When companies "go bad."
(3:03) The Enlightened Capitalist fallacy 
(7:47) Rethinking profit from Ponzi schemes to human flourishing 
(6:09) Trustworthiness: A vault with no lock 
(15:16) Doing the right thing upfront 
(16:29) Low trust makes business harder 
(24:48) Mission-driven or mission-hopeful? 
(26:20) The Practice Fusion story 
(21:37) Shareholder primacy is over

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Resources:
Follow Eric on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eries/
Get Eric's new book, Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad and How Great Companies Stay Great: https://incorruptible.co 

Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
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