Whenever my dad and I get together to talk, there is no predicting where the conversation will lead. It always has a way of making some kind of sense, and tying together the strands of our diverse interests, from jazz to sociology, popular culture to politics.

Just as we did on the morning of the presidential election in 2016, here we discuss the results of the 2020 election and what it might say about all of the above. Somehow, along the way we touch on his thoughts on the beauty of old things, Tikun Olam (the Jewish concept of healing the world) as a response to a universal call from deep in the frontal cortex, "The cruelty of our own DNA", Chaos theory, the future of small jazz clubs, and how "we are all survivors of chaos".

Then we try to figure out what that has to do with Les McCann's recording of the song "Maxie's Changes" (with the largely unknown tenor saxophone player Frank Haynes).

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