Today, we speak with Arvin Ganesan, an ex-Obama-Admin EPA and ex-Apple Energy Procurement executive. His career is fascinating, from finance to Policy to Energy Tech CEO.

He offers us a lot of insight into their technology, how it works, and specifically how it plays well with utility models of making money.

Towards the end, he mentioned the unknown of the commercialization path. He pointed out that it's not important to pick a model of commercialization with a tech like this because so many variables can dictate the best path to commercialization when the tech is proven past the pilot scale.

Lots of good stuff is in today's episode!

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Topics:
**2:37 Why Cheap and Accessible Energy Storage Matters
**2:37 Why Cheap and Accessible Energy Storage Matters
**17:30 Fourth Power's Utility-Scale Thermal Battery
**21:58 Fast and Efficient Energy Storage and Discharge
**27:10 Building Fourth Power
**32:04 The Power of People
**37:24 Maintaining Culture with Growth
**42:21 Opportunities in the Utility Market
**47:04 Startup Opportunities in Agriculture Decarbonization
**49:01 The Importance of Mentorship
**52:19 Takeaways

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