#287 CleanTechies Pod: David Reasenberg | Heliene | U.S. Solar Manufacturing & Policy-Driven Sales

How Heliene is leveraging "commercial curiosity," open-book pricing, and deep policy knowledge to scale a massive domestic solar supply chain.

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About This Episode

In the world of solar modules, price has become the main factor for many buyers. The products have nearly all become commodities. However, things changed when the Foreign Entity of Concern regulations were passed under the IRA.

Now, domestic producers are heavily favored. However, it’s not an automatic sale. There is still a lot of nuance that goes into how you sell your product, even when you are a US-Based manufacturer.

Our goal today is to learn those tricks from our guest, David Reasenberg. The Chief Commercial Officer at Heliene. One of (if not the) leading solar module manufacturers in the U.S. They have 1.3 GW of capacity, which has created hundreds of jobs.

Today we cover how they have become so good at ‘policy cycle’ driven selling, opening their books, and hiring and motivating a team that can stick around during the ups and downs of the solarcoaster.

Any company in CleanTech will get some value out of this discussion on how to build a kick-ass sales team.

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⏱️ Key Timestamps

00:00 – Intro & The CleanTechies AI Chatbot

04:38 – David’s background & Heliene’s North American manufacturing history

07:16 – Scaling to 1.3 GW capacity & navigating multi-gigawatt deals

10:03 – How the IRA & Foreign Entity of Concern rules shifted the solar policy landscape

13:50 – Building a sales engine built around the "capital stack"

19:24 – Hiring for “commercial curiosity” and high-agency sales management

22:42 – Breaking silos and building open-source knowledge floors for reps

34:30 – Policy-driven sales cycles & IRS Safe Harbor rules

41:19 – The transparency moat: Why "open-book" pricing builds trust

45:57 – Training teams on adjacent experience over pre-existing Rolodexes

51:20 – Macro outlook: AI data centers and rising grid demands

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#286 A Media Training Expert Gives Away His Most Powerful Secrets | Michael Lehmann (Lehmann's Terms)

In clean tech, building a groundbreaking solution is only half the battle—you also have to know how to explain it clearly when it matters most. Whether you are pitching investors, taking the stage at a conference, or presenting on Capitol Hill, a wordy explanation can cost you massive opportunities.

In this episode, we sit down with Michael Lehmann, founder of Lehmann’s Terms, a premier climate communications and media training firm. Michael has prepared leaders for hundreds of national media appearances and navigated high-stakes political landscapes. He shares his ultimate playbook on how founders can deliver potent, concise messages, avoid the "PhD-level explanation trap," and frame climate tech in a way that wins bipartisan support.

📝 Key Topics Covered:

00:00 – Intro & Special Announcement: The CleanTechies AI Chatbot.

03:58 – Getting to know Michael Lehmann and the origin of Lehmann’s Terms.

09:21 – Core Messaging: Why clarity and being concise are your ultimate weapons.

13:06 – Panel Tactics: Talk less, be potent, and stop reading bulleted lists.

16:04 – Bipartisan Growth: Why alienating half the political aisle prevents your startup from scaling.

21:18 – Adapting your framing for different audiences without losing your authenticity.

31:08 – The TV Formula: Hitting the 45-second sweet spot with a headline and a punchy close.

36:29 – Pitching Investors: Stop reading your slides and avoid the “PhD level” explanation trap.

41:21 – Surviving Capitol Hill: How to navigate lawmakers and defuse hostile questions.

55:06 – The ultimate bipartisan hook: Lowering emissions while making money and boosting American business.

01:01:01 – Optimism over Doom: Why building the future is a better pitch than climate fear.

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Connect with the Guest: Connect with Michael Lehmann or visit Lehmann's Terms to elevate your next media or pitch opportunity.

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Disclaimer: This podcast is NOT investment advice. Do your homework and due diligence before investing in anything discussed on this podcast.

00:00 – Intro & Sponsors: Lehmann's Terms, Climate Finance Solutions, and EarthSearch.

03:27 – Robert’s background: 30+ years in semiconductors to 3D printing batteries.

06:59 – Reinventing additive manufacturing: Printing multi-material active devices.

14:27 – Addressing the 5 battery pillars: Safety, cost, performance, longevity, and recyclability.

20:24 – The economics: Cutting production costs by 60% and waste to under 1%.

24:01 – Sakuu's asset-light business model and equipment licensing.

32:14 – Gigafactory vs. Microfactory: The extreme flexibility of 3D printing.

41:42 – Re-industrializing America and making onshoring a bipartisan issue.

52:19 – Team building: Why you should hire for attitude and train your replacement.

00:00 – Intro & Sponsors: Lehmann's Terms, Climate Finance Solutions, and EarthSearch.

03:19 – The Origin of Reservoir: Why target the water heater?

06:33 – The Data: Why heating water uses more energy than driving an EV.

16:06 – The Innovator's Dilemma: Why legacy appliance companies struggle to innovate beyond incremental updates.

20:20 – Pricing Strategy: How vertical integration allows Reservoir to stay cost-competitive while offering a premium product.

25:16 – Smart Features: Predictive recirculation (no-wait showers), freeze protection, and leak mitigation.

36:08 – "Party Mode": How an inline booster heater gives a 50-gallon tank the capacity of a 150-gallon tank.

40:58 – The Faucet Remote Control: Using an ultrasonic flow meter to operate your water heater by simply tapping your sink faucet.

44:24 – Building a Hardware Team: The Formlabs Mafia and why every startup employee needs the "take out the trash" mentality.

49:56 – Thermal Batteries & VPPs: How connecting 50,000 smart water heaters equals the capacity of a data center.

00:00 – Intro & Sponsors: Lehmann's Terms, Climate Finance Solutions, and EarthSearch.

03:48 – What is Dreamstar Lines?: Bringing overnight sleeper trains to the LA-SF route.

04:39 – The Strategy: Using existing Union Pacific tracks to bypass the nightmare of building new rail infrastructure.

08:03 – The Bottleneck: Why building new rail in the US is a million-variable problem.

14:38 – Making Trains Sexy: Why you must start with a premium product to change consumer behavior (The Tesla Model).

26:29 – Customer Discovery: Why they added an auto-ferry service and pet-friendly private accommodations.

31:28 – The Autonomous Future: How Robotaxi fleets will solve the last-mile problem for train travelers.

39:40 – Regulation vs. Innovation: Why the US needs a new generation of "builder" legislators.

46:52 – Zoning is Anti-American: The housing crisis and the case for creating special economic zones for experimentation.

55:09 – Sustainability: The carbon emissions of rail vs. flying, and the future of hybridized rail tech.

00:00 – Intro & Sponsors: Lehmann's Terms, Climate Finance Solutions, and EarthSearch.

03:09 – Welcome to Keep Cool: Nick van Osdol flips the script and interviews Silas.

04:07 – The Evolution of Climate Tech: Shedding the 1.0 vibes and returning to "CleanTech."

08:52 – Silas’s Origin Story: From rural Wisconsin to renewable energy recruiting in NYC.

13:33 – Disrupting Recruitment: Why Silas founded EarthSearch to offer executive-level search for early-stage startups without the massive fees.

18:30 – The End of ZIRP: Why the hiring market has shifted to slow, intentional, and skills-based recruiting.

30:24 – Building Culture: Why early-stage startups shouldn't be afraid to hire bored, senior talent.

37:19 – The Call to Adventure: How to position your startup to attract highly motivated individuals.

43:59 – Companies to Watch: Silas shouts out Helix Earth Technologies and OptiGrid.

51:35 – Flipping the Table: Silas asks Nick what keeps him motivated to write and podcast about climate.

53:56 – The Value of Writing: Why authentic, human storytelling matters more than ever in the age of AI.

00:00 – Intro: Coral's $7.5M Seed Round and mission.

02:46 – What is Coral?: The FinTech platform for energy-efficient building upgrades.

04:46 – The Pain Point: Why HVAC experts don't want to be "rebate experts."

06:15 – The Financing Mechanism: How Coral advances funds to make the rebate instant.

08:19 – Contractor Benefits: Saving time, avoiding bad reviews, and winning more deals.

11:44 – The Economics of Rebates: Why most incentives come from local utilities trying to lower grid demand.

15:43 – The Origin Story: Quitting jobs to solve the $8,000 savings bottleneck for homeowners.

21:00 – Mission Alignment: Balancing climate goals with helping small businesses grow.

24:17 – The "Chicken and Egg" Funding: Using early VC dollars to prove the rebate float model.

31:24 – Depoliticizing Clean Tech: Leading with comfort, safety, and pure energy savings.

36:09 – Co-Founder Dating: How Samir and Nizar built trust before building a company.

42:37 – Pragmatism and Empathy: Why climate founders must be chameleons to succeed.

46:27 – Raising Capital: Why they pitched FinTech VCs instead of traditional Climate funds.

00:00 – Intro: Andrew Beebe’s background in Cleantech since 2002.

03:34 – Obvious Ventures & Fund V: Deploying a new $360M fund.

04:59 – The Next Vintage: Why the tourists are gone and the real builders remain.

08:23 – The Branding Problem: Why "Climate Tech" mirrors the 1990s Internet boom.

16:30 – Global Markets vs. US Politics: The inevitability of the energy transition.

20:46 – The AI Energy Crisis: Utilities facing 50% demand growth from data centers.

25:53 – Generative Science: How AI is accelerating materials science and geothermal exploration.

28:20 – Local Politics: Why hyperscalers must win over local communities to build.

34:01 – Texas as a Mecca: Why low-regulation red states are building the most clean energy.

38:56 – Physical AI & Autonomy: From robotic shipping vessels to electric aviation.

47:01 – The Hardware Playbook: Why you want to be a buyer (not a seller) on a plummeting cost curve.

51:50 – The Ultimate Arbitrage: Making money when you know the transition is inevitable.

00:00 – Intro: Cody Finke returns to the podcast.

04:30 – The "Rock Refinery": Moving beyond cement to co-produce aluminum and critical minerals.

05:39 – The Physics of Scale: Why cost parity is impossible with small reactors.

08:12 – The History of Co-Production: From whale oil to Standard Oil's catalytic cracking.

12:39 – "Bad Geologic Luck": Why traditional limestone cement plants can't co-produce.

18:54 – De-Risking Deep Tech: How Brimstone uses off-the-shelf components to build a massive patent moat.

28:33 – Fundraising Strategy: Raising ~$90M and executing pilot plants.

33:44 – PR for Founders: When to stay in stealth and when to reveal your grand vision.

38:18 – The $189M DOE Grant: Winning the money under Biden, losing it under Trump, and why it wasn't a disaster.

45:54 – Geopolitics & Manufacturing: Why critical materials and heavy industry must return to democratic countries.

50:28 – The Ultimate Climate Strategy: Why capitalism only rewards lower costs, not moral outcomes.

00:00 – Intro: The $500M deal with Jupiter Power.

02:15 – Landon’s Background: Lessons from Tesla and Northvolt.

06:30 – The "Magnet Hire": How to attract A-Players by hiring one star first.

12:00 – Why Sodium-Ion?: The cost and supply chain advantage over Lithium.

18:45 – The Jupiter Power Deal: How they negotiated a massive off-take agreement.

24:10 – "Engineering Bankability": Selling the manufacturing roadmap, not just the cell.

32:00 – Supply Chain: Why Peak Energy avoids conflict minerals and China reliance.

41:00 – The Grid Challenge: Why batteries need to last 25 years in the desert.

48:00 – Scaling Speed: How to move faster than traditional industrial giants.

53:00 – Hiring: The specific traits Landon looks for in executives.