How do you stay spiritually grounded when the weight of leadership feels heavy—and the pressure never really lets up?

In Episode 196 of the Fly on the Wall Podcast, I sit down with my friend Brandon for a rich, honest conversation about the personal and spiritual life of a leader. This episode goes beneath strategies and systems and straight into the inner life that sustains everything else.

We talk about calling, confidence, fear, prayer, gratitude, and what it actually looks like to walk with God when no one else is watching.

In this episode, we explore:

• How leaders first recognize God’s calling on their life—and why others calling it out matters
• Why you can’t wait until pressure hits to get spiritually grounded
• The long, unseen work of becoming rooted before storms come
• How gratitude reshapes prayer and deepens reliance on God
• Why authenticity matters more than performance in today’s church
• What leaders need more of—and less of—in this generation

This conversation is reflective, pastoral, and deeply encouraging. If you’ve ever felt the tension of leadership, wrestled with fear, or wondered how to sustain a healthy inner life over the long haul, this episode is for you.

🎧 Listen to Episode 196 now and sit in on this meaningful coaching conversation.

And if you’re longing to grow as a leader—or help other leaders grow—be sure to check out Church Boom University and our Coaching Certification at churchboom.org. Leaders are learners, and you were never meant to lead alone.

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Fly on the Wall Podcast, presented by Church Boom, takes pastors into a live coaching session with Chris Sonksen, CEO & Founder of Church Boom. Each episode features a pastor, just like you, as they share the challenges they face and get practical advice on how to overcome them.