In this episode, Heidi speaks with painter Mary Weatherford known for radical, elusive paintings where her canvases are affixed and sometimes juxtaposed with working neon light. They talk about the most annoying questions Mary repeatedly gets asked as well as why making her paintings involves getting her feet dirty, their mutual admiration for artist Alan Shields, scoliosis, and what it means to trust someone.

This episode was recorded live at, and in partnership with, Spring Place Beverly Hills.