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Jared, Oriana and Ned discuss Oriana’s choice of topic: Death. Not all of
it, but a fair amount. Where exactly does free will come in for those in
Middle-earth? What lies behind Tolkien's conception of death as ‘the Gift of
Men’ which the Elves lack? What happens in the philosophical dialogue between
Finrod and Andreth on death and fate? And just what is Tuor’s deal anyway?
Plus, a mention of when a dragon and a farmer thought death was just a bother.
Also we had some thoughts about the Tolkien biopic. It...could have been more
memorable.
Show Notes.
The Megaphonic FM Patreon and the
Megaphonic FM Teepublic store.
Check ‘em out! Send some coin! Help Oriana buy a T-shirt!
The official Tolkien site—the film,
that is.
Stephen Colbert also talked with Nicholas Hoult and Lily
Collins on The Late Show—because
why wouldn’t he?
Caitlin PenzeyMoog’s piece on Tolkien for AV
Club was one of the better ones -- and showcases the rather un-Tolkienian art the character produced in the film.
John Garth’s Tolkien and the Great
War is the
definitive study to date of the time Tolkien and his close friends from youth
spent in the conflict, and his own profound losses he suffered, combined with
detailing the initial emergence of the legendarium.
The Tolkien Calendar 2020 preorder
page—because it’s never too early.
The Tolkien Trust, the charitable entity set
up by the estate.
Some more information on Pawnee
beliefs
in general.
Grant C. Sterling’s “The Gift of
Death,”
published in a 1997 issue of Mythlore, is a good general summary of how death
is treated in Middle-earth, with specific reference to passages from The
Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings as well as Tolkien’s letters.
While recording the episode, Jared drew an interpretation of
Mandos.
If you want a reminder about how strongly Tolkien felt about the Beren and
Luthien story, this is all you need.
Tuor remains something of a divisive character in various ways. Thus this
discussion from a few years ago entitled “Why isn’t Tuor more
popular?” where the first response concludes “he just comes off as kind
of bland.”
Tolkien’s letter to Milton Waldman discussing The
Silmarillion, published as a preface in later editions.
For a conservative Catholic take on “the gift,” Anna Mathie’s First Things
piece from 2003 is of interest given Tolkien’s own similar theological
beliefs.
The Book of
Job, King
James Version.
A note from Priscilla
Tolkien about her father’s creation of “Leaf, By Niggle.”
As noted, “Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth” and various related notes and pieces
are only found in Morgoth’s
Ring. But this
page provides a useful
summary of the main points raised by Finrod and Andreth in the dialogue, along
with other selections and brief discussion on Tolkien’s conception of death in
Middle-earth in his later years.
Annatar—Sauron’s guise to
deceive the Elves in the Second Age, and to ultimately forge the One Ring—is
as mentioned in Episode 1 one of the
most shadowy characters in a shadowy time for the legendarium, and will almost
certainly be a main character in Amazon’s upcoming series.
Fleabag is fantastic, full stop.
“In the world but not of the
world” is indeed part of the lingo, to put it mildly.
The question of foresight in Middle-earth is one of the most complicated ones in Tolkien, but also the source
of some of his most literary and dramatic moments.
Ned got their name slightly wrong—it’s the American Bookbinders
Museum, and it’s a very nice institution,
worth a visit!
It isn’t live yet but look for the (very enjoyable and informative) appearance
of Guy Gavriel Kay, Simon
Vance and Ransom
Stephens via
SomaFM, who host audio recordings of
SFinSF’s regular events.
Game of Thrones. It was a thing.
Subscribe to the Patreon and you can hear us
talk about it!
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Jared, Oriana and Ned discuss Oriana’s choice of topic: Death. Not all of
it, but a fair amount. Where exactly does free will come in for those in
Middle-earth? What lies behind Tolkien's conception of death as ‘the Gift of
Men’ which the Elves lack? What happens in the philosophical dialogue between
Finrod and Andreth on death and fate? And just what is Tuor’s deal anyway?
Plus, a mention of when a dragon and a farmer thought death was just a bother.
Also we had some thoughts about the Tolkien biopic. It...could have been more
memorable.
Show Notes.
The Megaphonic FM Patreon and the
Megaphonic FM Teepublic store.
Check ‘em out! Send some coin! Help Oriana buy a T-shirt!
The official Tolkien site—the film,
that is.
Stephen Colbert also talked with Nicholas Hoult and Lily
Collins on The Late Show—because
why wouldn’t he?
Caitlin PenzeyMoog’s piece on Tolkien for AV
Club was one of the better ones -- and showcases the rather un-Tolkienian art the character produced in the film.
John Garth’s Tolkien and the Great
War is the
definitive study to date of the time Tolkien and his close friends from youth
spent in the conflict, and his own profound losses he suffered, combined with
detailing the initial emergence of the legendarium.
The Tolkien Calendar 2020 preorder
page—because it’s never too early.
The Tolkien Trust, the charitable entity set
up by the estate.
Some more information on Pawnee
beliefs
in general.
Grant C. Sterling’s “The Gift of
Death,”
published in a 1997 issue of Mythlore, is a good general summary of how death
is treated in Middle-earth, with specific reference to passages from The
Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings as well as Tolkien’s letters.
While recording the episode, Jared drew an interpretation of
Mandos.
If you want a reminder about how strongly Tolkien felt about the Beren and
Luthien story, this is all you need.
Tuor remains something of a divisive character in various ways. Thus this
discussion from a few years ago entitled “Why isn’t Tuor more
popular?” where the first response concludes “he just comes off as kind
of bland.”
Tolkien’s letter to Milton Waldman discussing The
Silmarillion, published as a preface in later editions.
For a conservative Catholic take on “the gift,” Anna Mathie’s First Things
piece from 2003 is of interest given Tolkien’s own similar theological
beliefs.
The Book of
Job, King
James Version.
A note from Priscilla
Tolkien about her father’s creation of “Leaf, By Niggle.”
As noted, “Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth” and various related notes and pieces
are only found in Morgoth’s
Ring. But this
page provides a useful
summary of the main points raised by Finrod and Andreth in the dialogue, along
with other selections and brief discussion on Tolkien’s conception of death in
Middle-earth in his later years.
Annatar—Sauron’s guise to
deceive the Elves in the Second Age, and to ultimately forge the One Ring—is
as mentioned in Episode 1 one of the
most shadowy characters in a shadowy time for the legendarium, and will almost
certainly be a main character in Amazon’s upcoming series.
Fleabag is fantastic, full stop.
“In the world but not of the
world” is indeed part of the lingo, to put it mildly.
The question of foresight in Middle-earth is one of the most complicated ones in Tolkien, but also the source
of some of his most literary and dramatic moments.
Ned got their name slightly wrong—it’s the American Bookbinders
Museum, and it’s a very nice institution,
worth a visit!
It isn’t live yet but look for the (very enjoyable and informative) appearance
of Guy Gavriel Kay, Simon
Vance and Ransom
Stephens via
SomaFM, who host audio recordings of
SFinSF’s regular events.
Game of Thrones. It was a thing.
Subscribe to the Patreon and you can hear us
talk about it!
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