Patricia and Christian talk to founder of Real Progressives Steve Grumbine about his journey as a movement-builder and lead MMT activist, and the lessons he's learned on the way.

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*During this conversation, Christian refers to a video about Sinclair Broadcasting, which can be found here: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/02/598794433/video-reveals-power-of-sinclair-as-local-news-anchors-recite-script-in-unison?t=1562957596199