Annie Jacobsen is a Pulitzer Prize finalist and New York Times bestselling author. Her newest book Nuclear War: A Scenario looks deep into the heart of the nuclear military establishment & is based on dozens of exclusive new interviews with military and civilian experts who have built the weapons, have been privy to the response plans, and have been responsible for those decisions should they have needed to be made. EPISODE LINKS Pre-order Nuclear War: https://bit.ly/49LmMU6 https://twitter.com/AnnieJacobsen https://anniejacobsen.com SPONSORS https://ketobrainz.com/pages/djp - Use code "DANNY20" at checkout. https://betterhelp.com/dannyjones - Get 10% off your first month. https://bubsnaturals.com/DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. https://rocketmoney.com/djp - Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. PATREON: https://patreon.com/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjoneshttps://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Writing 05:37 - Sources 08:35 - Nuclear war protocol 19:14 - Operation Paperclip 38:15 - Billy Waugh's briefcase nuke 40:00 - Otto Ambros 46:07 - Kurt Blome 50:52 - Science & morality 01:00:47 - CIA's original black site 01:03:32 - Walter Schreiber 01:05:15 - NASA 01:09:34 - UFOs 01:14:49 - Annie's take on UFOs; Strategic deception 01:23:36 - Nuclear secrets 01:29:41 - Public deception 01:38:01 - Human terrain mapping; first platoon 01:40:28 - Annie's "Deal" with CIA 01:48:39 - EG&G scientist "alien" medical experiment 01:59:55 - Inside DARPA 02:08:28 - Pentagon hired Sci-Fi writers 02:14:07 - Paramilitary assassins; Billy Waugh 02:29:40 - War VS Covert action debate 02:42:17 - Mechanics of Nuclear War 02:51:57 - The interceptor system 02:55:25 - EMP's 02:59:52 - Doomsday plane

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