Philip Tinari is a notable writer, critic, art curator, and expert in Chinese contemporary art. Based in Beijing since 2001, Tinari is currently director and CEO of the UCCA Center for Contemporary Art (UCCA) in Beijing.

In an emotional and raw conversation he and Zuckerman discussed the realities of living in China and the deteriorating relations between our countries, radical precarity, key rituals of the art world, objects crossing borders that people no longer can, what translation enables, whether globalization is actually inevitable, fragility and gratitude.

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