After a so-called training camp in June where Joe Holmes and Shawn Kingrey tried to help Mark get back into shape they join Michael and Ross to discuss over-reaching, the allure of “The Canyon”, riding with Pro Tour competitors, and generally about how capability affects the opportunities and the people one has access to, and how the map expands coincident with increasing physical and mental capacity. Tangents occur, of course, generally in the direction of hardcore music and live shows. Late in the episode Mark expresses his opinion about E-bikes.