The Symbolic World

359 - John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall - Why Christianity?


Listen Later

This conversation is in part John Vervaeke's response to my previous video with Jordan Hall (The End of Strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnR2PYtLLnI) where we discussed Jordan's recent conversion to Christianity. John fires up some questions, and we discuss different aspects of sensemaking and religious structures to answer the question: Why Christianity?

Original YouTube version: https://youtu.be/Vp_08T0Ucik

REGISTER TODAY FOR OUR NEW SYMBOLIC WORLD COURSE WITH JOHN VERVAEKE: The Cognitive Science of Ritual. Live classes start on October 7th, 2024, 2-4 pm EST on the Symbolic World Circle community. This is a 6-week, 12-hour online course. All lesson recordings will be made available afterward and all materials will be provided. The final lesson will be co-hosted by Jonathan Pageau in a Q&A format. All patrons at the Involved tier or higher get a 10% discount; see your unique code at the top of the course page and apply at checkout: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-cognitive-science-of-ritual
Join Jonathan Pageau, Jordan Hall, John Heers, and others in Florida for an exclusive, intimate weekend filled with leisure and hospitality. This November event is a fundraiser for First Things Foundation. Learn more: https://first-things.org/aot 

💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com
🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe

Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
01:42 - Intro music
02:07 - Introduction
05:07 - John's pov on Jonathan and Jordan's conversation
08:49 - Why Christian faith?
15:38 - Jordan's answer: the Ultimate Map
18:27 - The current dialogos
21:10 - Jonathan: The Christian Escatological map
25:52 - Jordan: Relationship to Jesus
32:20 - Grief and the qualities of love
37:40 - Jonathan: Particularity beyond duality
41:43 - Jordan: A deeper capacity to suffer
44:49 - John: Being is good / Not escape
46:54 - Jonathan: Theosis
49:25 - What if this is a crypto-egoism?
55:26 - Is this the grounding of your Christian faith?
01:01:29 - Zen: Does the infinite love you?
01:11:39 - Intimacy
01:22:18 - We can't be meta
01:27:47 - Universalism
01:29:01 - We each have our callings
01:30:21 - John and Christianity

Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ 
My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.
...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

The Symbolic WorldBy Jonathan Pageau

  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8

4.8

843 ratings


More shows like The Symbolic World

View all
Unbelievable? by Premier Unbelievable?

Unbelievable?

2,034 Listeners

The Word on Fire Show - Catholic Faith and Culture by Bishop Robert Barron

The Word on Fire Show - Catholic Faith and Culture

5,768 Listeners

The Thomistic Institute by The Thomistic Institute

The Thomistic Institute

799 Listeners

First Things Podcast by First Things

First Things Podcast

722 Listeners

Pints With Aquinas by Matt Fradd

Pints With Aquinas

6,789 Listeners

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast by Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

33,242 Listeners

Jay'sAnalysis by Jay Dyer

Jay'sAnalysis

849 Listeners

The Counsel of Trent by Catholic Answers

The Counsel of Trent

2,612 Listeners

Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World by Jimmy Akin

Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World

2,941 Listeners

The Whole Counsel of God by Fr. Stephen De Young, and Ancient Faith Ministries

The Whole Counsel of God

570 Listeners

The Lord of Spirits by Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick, Fr. Stephen De Young, and Ancient Faith Ministries

The Lord of Spirits

1,492 Listeners

The Auron MacIntyre Show by Blaze Podcast Network

The Auron MacIntyre Show

508 Listeners

Maiden Mother Matriarch with Louise Perry by Louise Perry

Maiden Mother Matriarch with Louise Perry

288 Listeners

The Surprising Rebirth Of Belief In God by Justin Brierley

The Surprising Rebirth Of Belief In God

452 Listeners

The Nathan Jacobs Podcast by Nathan Jacobs

The Nathan Jacobs Podcast

65 Listeners