Mark, Michael and Ross speak with Andy Stumpf, a former Navy SEAL who played on the varsity squad for most of his career. He is the host of the Cleared Hot podcast, a consultant, an active BASE jumper and wing suit pilot who also flies airplanes. Joining them is Chris Pipes, also a veteran and one of the most driven and creative thinkers Mark has ever encountered. Together they initiate the episode with a discussion of “thrill-seeking vs. thought-seeking”, the difference between activities that are assisted by gravity and those where gravity is an adversary, the influence of the camera on decision-making and execution, why we seek deep experiences and how they can transform us, how trivia is washed out by those experiences, risk, death, change, and—of course—a little bit of hunting.