Today, Hunter was joined Claire Valentin and Hayley Upshaw to discuss how the intersection of criminal and immigration law impacts kids. So far on the show, Hunter and various guests have explored the "Crimmigration" intersection as it pertains to adults. Now, Hunter, Hayley, and Claire unpack the ways this already cruel system is especially cruel for kid.

Guest

Hayley Upshaw, Deputy Public Defender, San Francisco Public Defender Officer

Claire Valentin, Managing Director of Innovation and Advocacy, Children's Law Center of Massachusetts

Resources:

US Citizen Picked Up By ICE

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/20/us-citizen-jose-hermosillo-border-patrol

https://news.azpm.org/p/azpmnews/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/

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