"We don't just need to change companies, but to change the system." How often have we heard this statement?

In this Frankly Speaking episode, Richard Howitt is joined by Dr. Anneloes Smitsman. They address what systems change means and how companies can contribute to achieving it.

We also discuss if there is a social tipping point where people's acceptance of the need to act on climate change will make a decisive difference in how consumers, employees and investors support the necessary changes in companies.

Dr. Anneloes Smitsman has a PhD in systems science, a pioneer in human development and in systems change, futurist, and entrepreneur. Annaloes is also the founder and CEO of EARTHwise Centre.

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