In this podcast episode, host Peter Bauman (Le Random's editor in chief) speaks with artist and writer James Bridle about what we actually mean when we say "intelligence." They discuss whether building our most powerful technologies around such a narrow version of it is a fundamental mistake.

They also unpack author Bridle's argument from Ways of Being that intelligence has always been a political construct, and that contemporary AI represents a reduction of a reduction. The conversation moves through the three effects Bridle sees AI concretely producing right now: consolidation of power, environmental destruction, and a spreading ontological crisis.

They end by widening to consciousness, ecological thinking, and what a genuinely non-human intelligence might actually require.

It is one of the more skeptical conversations Le Random has hosted on AI, and one of the most clarifying. Enjoy!

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Chapters 📖:

00:00:04 — Introduction: What Is Intelligence?

00:02:01 — The Human Bias in How We Define Intelligence

00:08:03 — Boosterism vs. Doomerism: Bridle's Dual Critique

00:15:10 — Can Agentic AI Produce Ecological Intelligence?

00:20:07 — Citizens' Assemblies and the Power of Diversity

00:24:37 — Symbionts: A Third Way to Engage with AI?

00:29:55 — AI Coding, Relationships, and What Actually Changes Us

00:36:16— Three Real Effects of AI: Power, Environment, Uncertainty

00:41:00 — Art, Ethics, and the Glitch Residency

00:45:10 — Consciousness Beyond Language: Mountains, Machines, and Standing Waves