This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word.

00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher 

03:46  - Jack's practice in his own words 

05:56 - Don't over think it 

07:32 - Design vs Art  

10:11 -  Systems art and the internet as a canvas 

18:05 - In-search of resonance 

23:30 - Validation and recognition 

26:05 - How useful is the term 'Artist'? 

31:45 - The internet's huge unlock 

35:50 - Effort does not equal value 

38:00 - Independence, control and  externalising your thinking 

39:54 - Minting on instinct 

43:00 - The power of a network 

45:30 -  Why is the industry so male orientated? 

48:10 - Thoughts on exhibiting in a physical space 

54:50 - Creating understanding and the issue with working outside the box 

59:55 - Power laws and growing the network 

01:05:15 - Making your process visible 

01:11:50 - New projects, experiments and constraints 

01:14:32 - AI as part of a creative practice 

01:16:35 - Where we'll be in three years? 

01:25:00 - News from across the space 

01:29 50 - Embracing the intensity of the space 

01:32:15 - Artist highlights 

Jack Butcher: https://x.com/jackbutcher 

Visualize Value: https://x.com/visualizevalue

Ed Atkins:  https://www.instagram.com/edatkinsdiet

Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael 

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery 

Kevin Esherick: https://x.com/kev_esh 

William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan

01:20 - Recap on William Mapan's SOLOS exhibition in London

05:00 - Mapan's holistic artistic approach 

07:40 - Are discussion panels boring

14:20 - Embracing browser discrepancies 

22:00 -  The artist's intent vs breaking emerging standards

28:15 - Leyla's wallet boycott 

33:10 - Jack Kaido and SuperRare 

43:07 - Diving into Holly's collection 

47:37 - Toxic positivity and Grace's post 

54:17 - Timeframes and an opportunity to miss out 

57:58 - Building out context in the digital space

01:00:30 - Botto's Liminal Thresholds 

01:05:06 - Artists Rooms, formats and new focus 

01:12:03 - Developing a release program and striking a balance 

01:14:00 - Artist highlights 

01:23:45 - Verse rundown 

 https://x.com/andreasgysin 

https://x.com/graphicapng 

https://x.com/reas 

https://x.com/graceb_art 

00:58 - The Deviates aftermath 

02:15 - Unpacking the process 

03:45 - The secret 

06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration 

10:50 -  Battling platform censorship 

13:50 - The reveal 

16:45 - Great art can come from anywhere 

20:20 - Self-expression and acceptance 

23:15 - Deviations and community 

24:18 - Permanence and provenance 

27:09 - Personalised slop machines 

35:40 - ChatGPT and the next wave of entrants 

40:50 - Overly complex, off-putting tech 

43:40 - Digital goes physical 

47:30 - Deviates blue chip, red chip, purple chip? 

49:10 - Fall out from Ghibli-gate 

51:18 - William Mapan, sales mechanics 

54:50 - Artie Gallerie and Kevin Esherick 

56:29 - Fakewhale and Andy Duboc  

01:22 - A complex practice 

05:30 - Reflecting on Sketchbook A 

09:50 - Parenthood on creativity  

12:15 - Slowing down and escaping a framework 

16:00 - Building bridges and the importance of physical work 

19:48 - The evolution of Sketchbook B and Etudes 

26:05 - Immersed in the process

27:33 - The completion of the sketchbook 

31:20 - Mark making, self-exploration and identity 

34:35 - Dealing with the noise 

37:35 - The current focus on AI 

39:49 - Does the medium matter 

43:15 - Burnout and maintaining a work-life balance 

47:30 - Installing Sketchbook B and highlighting the algorithm 

53:45 - Authenticity and freedom of expression 

56:38 - Thinking on sales mechanics and allowlists 

59:19 - Intensity, stress and prerelease thoughts 

01:30 - Jeff Magid 

08:50 - Discovering another world 

16:25 - Becoming a collector 

19:15 - Risks and rewards 

24:35 - Breaking convention 

28:40 - The future of the art world and digital art 

36:19 - Value creation and a complex market 

39:55 - Stagnation and exclusivity 

44:27 - Welcoming new participants 

48:40 - Where digital art is going wrong 

57:27 - The stigma of the PFP 

1:00 - An outside perspective 

01:01:54 - The roundtable returns

01:03:10 - Growing the digital space 

01:05:30 - Fantasy art funds 

01:06:20 - Parallel worlds 

01:08:20 - The physicality of digital 

01:10:08 - The promise of the metaverse 

01:13:40 - Interacting and living with digital art 

01:21:13 - Breaking down an outsiders perspective 

01:26:20 - Blue chip art in a red chip world 

01:36:30 - Converging towards a consensus look 

01:41:10 - Agency, exposure and the impact of social media 

01:51:49 - Red or blue 

01:52:25 - High-end sales and moves 

01:54:08 - Artist Highlights 

01:58:28 - Verse rundown 

hicetnunc2000: https://x.com/hicetnunc2000 

kiszkiloszki: https://x.com/kiszkiloszki 

Molly Soda: https://www.instagram.com/bloatedandalone4evr1993 

Casey Reas: https://x.com/reas 

Shl0ms: https://x.com/shl0ms 

Jeff Magid: https://www.instagram.com/magideye

01:03 - Hunting for deals 

02:47 - A market slump's effect on cultural enthusiasm 

06:40 - Reassessing pricing and expanding the collector base 

10:10 - Buying the top and catching falling knives 

14:26 - Managing liquidity 

15:46 - Navigating the market as an artist 

19:22 - New mediums, new metas and perspectives 

24:04 - Approaching historical context as a curator 

32:15 - Watching the exit 

33:30 - The market and creativity 

35:29 - Total abundance and the All In Podcast 

42:44 - Pacing and sustainability 

48:35 - Artist highlights 

52:00 - Verse rundown 

Obtainer: https://x.com/obtainer 

Kat the Poet Engineer: https://x.com/poetengineer 

bjorn calleja: https://x.com/bjorncalleja 

stoopid avatar: https://x.com/stoopidavatar 

Iskra Velitchkova: https://x.com/pointline 

elements of air: https://x.com/pointline_/status/1897615862984589505?s=46&t=Y0qIYiBAAsy4ea-t-FfRQw 

All In episode 218: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/all-in-with-chamath-jason-sacks-friedberg/id1502871393?i=1000698337313 

03:00 - The Giraffe, debate, drama and narrative 

07:37 - Understanding and the value of participation 

11:19 - Pretension vs fun

16:15 - Freedom of expression and new value systems 

22:43 - The Funny Guys, Monk Antony and Le Random 

25:48 - Historic importance 

30:00 - Research, criticality and ignoring hype 

32:50 - Diving into Kaloh's tweet - the team's 2 ETH picks 

46:30 - The difficulty of building in the space 

54:20 - The impact of markets and cycles on collecting 

56:55 - Mainstream understanding and expanding the collector base 

01:02:00 - Embracing and exploring both cultural sphere's 

01:05:50 - Diving into Eli's tweet - the team's picks 

01:09:18 - Higgs, Christie's and the last week' s releases 

01:13:15 - Verse rundown 

01:16:16 - Artist highlights 

Computer Critters: https://x.com/beachsideufo 

littlecakes: https://x.com/evrythngissoft 

Canek Zapata: https://x.com/canekzapata 

Peter The Roman: https://x.com/peterthe_roman

Gozo: https://x.com/uncertaingaze 

Tuukzs: https://x.com/tuukzs 

José Narciso: https://x.com/narcisojuse

01:40 - Embracing Web3's rollercoaster 

03:20 - Navigating the intensity and finding a balance 

07:57 -  Living parallel lives 

10:20 - Understanding new value systems and cultural shifts 

14:14 - Opportunities within a lack of bureaucracy 

18:00 - What denotes importance 

27:00 - Grace's Tweet, competition and platform collaboration 

30:20 - AI curation, Fellowship's north star and laying paths 

36:25 - The reality of targeting a wider audience 

40:30 - Strength in diversity and listening to the artwork 

44:35 - Marketing, engagement and impact 

52:00 - Unpacking keke 

56:00 - Curating and guiding an AI Agent 

01:00:30 - The inherent potential of a machine artist 

01:02:30 - Mixed implementation of process 

01:07:55 - Collector burnout 

01:15:30 - The power of a timeline 

01:18:20 - The evolution of the Daily program 

01:24:20 - The state of the cycle 

01:27:30 - Zora and fractionalisation 

01:34:27 - Artist Highlights 

01:38:00 - Verse Rundown  

Colour Charlie: https://x.com/colour_charlie 

Skomra: https://x.com/skomra 

John Gerrard: https://x.com/john__gerrard 

01:45 - Unpacking Geometric Fluidity 

04:28 - First steps and markers

06:52 - Community, creation and curation 

09:58 - Proof of participation 

12:00 - Tensions and criticism 

16:25 - Building conversations 

20:29 - Over indexing on complexity 

24:25 - The Future of Man 

26:48 - Collector interaction 

29:45 - Artistic merit vs market value 

40:00 - Emperor's new clothes and conceptual gymnastics 

49:35 - SuperRare shutters their discord 

52:15 - Marketing, community and authenticity 

56:54 - The importance of a place for human interaction 

01:00:00 - Artist-collector interaction and support 

01:06:00 - Gallery outreach and bandwidth constraints 

01:14:35 - 22 Algorithms, The Giraffe and predictions 

01:16:42 - Artist highlights 

koneko: https://x.com/koneko_nyao 

Eddi Jones: https://x.com/eddijonesnft 

Chino Amobi: https://www.instagram.com/chinoamobi 

Mazin: https://x.com/endless_mazin 

Artie's #2316 thread: https://x.com/punk7635/status/1891997386135773388?s=46&t=Y0qIYiBAAsy4ea-t-FfRQw 

01:02 - Big sales and moving beyond the bubble 

02:27 - Considered acquisitions 

04:15 - Botto evolution and the afterlife of the work 

07:09 - Thoughts on the performance and the final 22 

13:41 - Community, interaction and curation 

18:15 - The open letter to Christie's 

21:45 - Art vs Slop 

22:40 - The reality of appropriation in a contemporary practice 

24:58 - A question of degree

29:50 - Speed of development and a lack of understanding 

32:19 - Verse rundown 

38:40 - Artist highlights  

Gozo - https://x.com/uncertaingaze 

Samia Halaby -  https://www.instagram.com/samiahalaby 

Ahtamaraneze - https://x.com/ahtamaraneze