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Jared, Oriana and Ned talk about Oriana’s choice of topic: Legolas
Greenleaf. Not originally planned as a member of the Fellowship – the honor
was going to go to Glorfindel, who helps Aragorn and the hobbits evade the
Nazgûl en route to Rivendell – Legolas ended up as a classic retcon character,
introduced as the son of Thranduil, the Elvenking featured in The Hobbit, even
though no such character was ever mentioned or described in that book. A
brilliant archer who makes light of burdens, literally can walk on snow and
isn’t above teasing his suffering companions – but someone who can react badly
if his own privilege is ever questioned – he’s at once fascinating and more
than a little infuriating, though his unique relationship with Gimli is one of
The Lord of the Rings’s more intriguing subplots. What kind of universality
can be read into the character as maybe representing what Elves are like – or
is he simply his own individual self? How does he come across to the hobbits,
who are the ones ‘telling’ the story in Tolkien’s own construction of it, and
is he truly relatable to them at all? What does his profound change of mood
when he nears the sea say about Tolkien’s deeper conception of not only Elves
but how they considered time? And just what do we think of Orlando Bloom’s
performance of the character in the Peter Jackson films? (And separately: did
we have thoughts on various The Rings of Power trailers? Oh did we ever.)
Show Notes.
Jared’s
doodle.
Legolas would do that as often as he could, truly.
Jared and Ned did indeed
meet for the first
time in Seattle for lunch at a Vinason location.
COVID’s still a thing – don’t sleep on it. And yes, if you get it, get yer
Paxlovid.
So, The Rings of Power trailers? Which do you want? This
one, this
one, or this
one?
The EW story introducing the Númenoreans.
Want to see the SDCC panel on The Rings of Power? Go
nuts.
Bear McCreary conducting at
SDCC. (We still think
this might be his masterwork.)
Support the Harper Collins Union.
A typical interview with the showrunners. Mm.
The 1951 letter to Milton
Waldman with the ‘other minds and hands’ passage.
Our episode on Dwarves and the
attendant stereotypes.
We’re not saying this kind of
thing is what WILL happen with
Ar-Pharazôn but you know…
Irish fairies and their kid-stealing ways.
Adûnaic! If you’d like to
learn more.
Legolas…we’ve heard of him.
Ms. Marvel was
indeed a pretty good show.
Our episode on friendship.
Legolas shoots down the Winged Messenger.
The Ask Middle-earth Tumblr on sea-longing.
Orlando Bloom’s Legolas in The Return of the
King. Just that.
That ‘stars are veiled’
moment. The
sidelong look happens a bit later.
Yes, yes indeed, they are taking the hobbits to
Isengard.
Shout out to DayQuil!
Support By-The-Bywater and its network, Megaphonic FM, on
Patreon. Thank you.
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Jared, Oriana and Ned talk about Oriana’s choice of topic: Legolas
Greenleaf. Not originally planned as a member of the Fellowship – the honor
was going to go to Glorfindel, who helps Aragorn and the hobbits evade the
Nazgûl en route to Rivendell – Legolas ended up as a classic retcon character,
introduced as the son of Thranduil, the Elvenking featured in The Hobbit, even
though no such character was ever mentioned or described in that book. A
brilliant archer who makes light of burdens, literally can walk on snow and
isn’t above teasing his suffering companions – but someone who can react badly
if his own privilege is ever questioned – he’s at once fascinating and more
than a little infuriating, though his unique relationship with Gimli is one of
The Lord of the Rings’s more intriguing subplots. What kind of universality
can be read into the character as maybe representing what Elves are like – or
is he simply his own individual self? How does he come across to the hobbits,
who are the ones ‘telling’ the story in Tolkien’s own construction of it, and
is he truly relatable to them at all? What does his profound change of mood
when he nears the sea say about Tolkien’s deeper conception of not only Elves
but how they considered time? And just what do we think of Orlando Bloom’s
performance of the character in the Peter Jackson films? (And separately: did
we have thoughts on various The Rings of Power trailers? Oh did we ever.)
Show Notes.
Jared’s
doodle.
Legolas would do that as often as he could, truly.
Jared and Ned did indeed
meet for the first
time in Seattle for lunch at a Vinason location.
COVID’s still a thing – don’t sleep on it. And yes, if you get it, get yer
Paxlovid.
So, The Rings of Power trailers? Which do you want? This
one, this
one, or this
one?
The EW story introducing the Númenoreans.
Want to see the SDCC panel on The Rings of Power? Go
nuts.
Bear McCreary conducting at
SDCC. (We still think
this might be his masterwork.)
Support the Harper Collins Union.
A typical interview with the showrunners. Mm.
The 1951 letter to Milton
Waldman with the ‘other minds and hands’ passage.
Our episode on Dwarves and the
attendant stereotypes.
We’re not saying this kind of
thing is what WILL happen with
Ar-Pharazôn but you know…
Irish fairies and their kid-stealing ways.
Adûnaic! If you’d like to
learn more.
Legolas…we’ve heard of him.
Ms. Marvel was
indeed a pretty good show.
Our episode on friendship.
Legolas shoots down the Winged Messenger.
The Ask Middle-earth Tumblr on sea-longing.
Orlando Bloom’s Legolas in The Return of the
King. Just that.
That ‘stars are veiled’
moment. The
sidelong look happens a bit later.
Yes, yes indeed, they are taking the hobbits to
Isengard.
Shout out to DayQuil!
Support By-The-Bywater and its network, Megaphonic FM, on
Patreon. Thank you.
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