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Episode 5: Jeronimo Mazarrasa, social innovation director at ICEERS.

This episode was recorded on March 6th, 2023.

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:02:38 Introduction and Jeronimo's work with ICEERS

00:06:03 What is ayahuasca, and why is this a difficult question?

00:13:14 Ayahuasca as an adaptogen

00:17:40 Preserving and transforming traditions

00:22:51 Difficulties in integrating sacred plants

00:35:09 Yoga, meditation and the stripping of cultural contexts

00:41:48 The collective and communal aspects of ayahuasca practices

00:50:50 Local identity and ancestors

00:58:30 The dark side of glamorizing indigenous traditions

01:10:21 Modern initiation rituals

01:16:44 Psychedelics and the ethics of touch

01:22:54 The role of mentorship and apprenticeship

01:36:35 Tribes and tribalism

01:45:19 Relationships between indigenous and western cultures

01:51:46 Tourism destroys what it looks for

02:01:59 The tensions between individuals and communities

02:13:08 New age, globalization and populism

02:25:44 The unintended consequences of the psychedelic renaissance

02:44:19 After the renaissance, the enlightenment

02:51:33 Ayahuasca accidents, deaths and media panic

03:00:00 Envisioning a positive psychedelic future

03:07:57 Comparing ayahuasca to other risky activities

03:16:20 Proceeding slowly, responding to moral panics

03:24:31 Better ayahuasca practices

03:36:00 Ayahuasca and consent – tricky

03:42:55 The dangers of "ayahuasca told me"

03:55:24 Ayahuasca and narcissists

04:03:42 Brazilian ayahuasca churches

04:15:03 Infrastructural and financial aspects of ayahuasca churches

04:23:04 Innocently disrespectful psychedelic tourists

04:33:05 William Gibson and the starfish

04:41:11 The Ayahuasca Defense Fund

04:45:57 Meaning, disenchantment and psychedelic adaptogens

04:49:17 Psychedelics are hard to categorize

04:54:56 Jeronimo's separation ritual

04:56:51 Forgetting who we are

05:00:51 Short final questions

05:07:29 Afterword

Adam Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis

A collection of Jeronimo's talks and interviews https://t.ly/VURFn

Jeronimo's film with Bruce Parry, Tawai: A Voice From the Forest https://www.tawai.earth

Jeronimo's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ayadox

ICEERS: web page https://www.iceers.org/

ICEERS: Safety and Integration courses https://iceersacademy.mykajabi.com

ICEERS: "Towards Better Ayahuasca Practices" guide https://t.ly/N4gAu

ICEERS: Twitter https://twitter.com/NGO_ICEERS

ICEERS: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weareiceers/

ICEERS: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ICEERS/

ICEERS: Telegram https://t.me/ICEERS

ADF: Twitter https://twitter.com/DefendAyahuasca

ADF: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/defendayahuasca/

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