Curious on Earth podcast

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Episode 10: Poet, philosopher and recovering psychologist Báyò Akómoláfé.

This episode was recorded on August 25th, 2026.

Video version: https://youtu.be/cav9H5CCCfY

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00:00:00 Coming up in this episode…

00:00:23 Foreword

00:03:03 Introduction.

00:04:17 An awkward question.

00:08:10 Cringe.

00:12:15 Hand movement in rap music.

00:13:14 Henry's two dreams.

00:15:09 When winning is losing.

00:21:23 Slave ship

00:23:08 Modernity and worlds in crisis.

00:27:00 We are all cyborgian.

00:29:37 Too late to save the world from plastic.

00:31:38 Martin Luther King and Harry Belafonte.

00:33:40 What releases us from the trap of repetition is a crack.

00:34:14 Petrolium.

00:37:38 Báyò's daughter's antihumanism.

00:38:24 Apples are our overlords.

00:43:03 What is a decision?

00:49:01 Sovereignty. A good room on a slave ship.

00:56:21 Democracy is tired.

01:07:09 Accommodating the monster.

01:15:24 Antimodernity is modernity.

01:23:03 Cracks, paraontological.

01:27:58 Kintsukuroi.

01:29:34 Silence and noise.

01:39:36 Ruining your taste.

01:43:33 Sanctuaries and gargoyles.

01:48:22 Home.

Báyò's web page https://www.bayoakomolafe.net

Báyò's instagram https://www.instagram.com/bayo.akomolafe

Báyò's LinkedIn https://in.linkedin.com/in/bayoakomolafe

Báyò's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/bayoakomolafeampersand

The Emergence Network, founded by Báyò https://emergencenetwork.org

I Am Mother https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6292852

Alien vs Predator https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370263

Paragogy https://www.linkedin.com/posts/bayoakomolafe_traditional-pedagogies-assume-the-learner-share-7383183184051564544-AzNY/

The energy trilogy by Antti Salminen ja Tere Vadén https://www.epressi.com/tiedotteet/politiikka/antti-salmisen-ja-tere-vadenin-quotenergiaquot-trilogia-yksissa-kansissa.html

The first book of the energy trilogy in Finnish https://nuvatsia.terevaden.net/books/energy-and-experience/

The Devil Wears Prada https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458352

Báyòs essay "The children of the minotaur" https://www.bayoakomolafe.net/post/the-children-of-the-minotaur-democracy-belonging-at-the-end-of-the-world

Melville's Benito Cereno https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19696859

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Episode 9: Philosopher of education and futurist Zak Stein. This episode was recorded on March 12, 2024.

Video version: https://youtu.be/6OOCLUijhZQ

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:02:18 AI and metacrisis.

00:05:13 Technology and humanity.

00:09:04 Both centralized and decentralized solutions.

00:15:42 What is education?

00:18:43 The uniqueness of human learning.

00:23:24 The dialectic between learning and education.

00:27:27 Reading is not seeing is not hearing.

00:32:48 A catastrophe that will be hard to recognize until it's too late.

00:36:32 Intrinsic values.

00:39:37 Love – the last value standing?

00:48:29 The Eye of Value and vulnerable forms of life.

00:51:37 The infinite value of a tree.

00:54:59 Desires.

00:59:53 Truth without experts.

01:05:17 Postmodernism and values.

01:08:26 Beyond postmodernism.

01:17:29 Planetary culture superstructure.

01:22:44 Social media and the pressure to have a public opinion.

01:26:33 The proper value of education, learning and technology.

01:28:13 Afterword

Zak's web page https://www.zakstein.org/

The Consilience Project https://consilienceproject.org

Zak's book Education in a Time Between Worlds https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/44125536-education-in-a-time-between-worlds

Zak in Emerge podcast (episode AI Tutor Acocalypse) https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/zak-stein-ai-tutor-apocalypse/id1057220344?i=1000610403148

Scott Alexander's article Love and Liberty https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/love-and-liberty

Zak's essay on the Eye of Value: https://www.zakstein.org/uploads/1/4/2/4/142408092/opening_the_eye_of_value_stein_2024.pdf

David Chapman's Meaningness https://meaningness.com

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Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist.

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Episode 8: Erika Dyck, professor of the history of medicine at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada.

This episode was recorded on November 25th, 2024.

Video version: https://youtu.be/OFEie24ocN8

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00:00:00 In this episode...

00:00:47 Foreword

00:03:16 How Erika started doing LSD research

00:05:38 Neglected areas of LSD research

00:09:01 LSD research in Saskatchewan

00:15:26 Canada's involvement in World Wars

00:17:43 Humphry Osmond, LSD research pioneer

00:22:25 Etymology of "hallucinogen"

00:27:52 What is (a) psychedelic?

00:31:32 Origin story of "psychedelic"

00:34:15 Psychedelics and new cognitive categories

00:41:06 Interdisciplinary psychedelic conferences

00:42:53 Psychedelic ethics

00:47:32 Osmond and Saskatchewan

00:56:42 Native American Church

00:59:31 Psychedelics and reductionism

01:05:27 Peyote rituals and history of NAC

01:16:56 Psychedelic therapy and ceremony

01:22:26 Myths about indigenous use of psychedelics

01:27:12 Psychedelics, schizophrenia and AA

01:34:54 LSD inspired architecture

01:42:25 Huxleys

01:52:04 Neglected women in historical narratives

02:01:22 Rita and Al Hubbard

02:14:26 Sidney Cohen and side effects of LSD

02:19:39 Psychedelic backlash

02:27:12 Moral panics

02:34:03 Drugs – genuine concern or convenient scapegoats?

02:42:11 Unpredictability of psychedelics

02:51:27 Better drug education

02:55:49 Drug propaganda and institutions

02:58:32 Hype and psychedelic philanthropy

03:04:47 End of the first wave of psychedelic research

03:14:00 Final questions

03:17:57 Afterword

Erika's X https://t.ly/9KtSx

Erika's LinkedIn https://t.ly/22i2A

Erika's university page https://t.ly/xrFz1

Osmond's and Smythie's Schizophrenia: A New Approach https://t.ly/c_4Nl

Erika's book Psychedelic Psychiatry: LSD from Clinic to Campus https://t.ly/9Q3QL

The Hallucinogens by Hoffer and Osmond https://t.ly/YPlKL

Rick Doblin's psychedelic house https://t.ly/weel2

Noidan käsikirja (Usborne Guide to the Supernatural World) https://t.ly/cST3U

Sidney Cohen's 1960 paper https://t.ly/YYerw

Sidney Cohen's 1962 paper https://t.ly/V80f5

Sidney Cohen's 1963 paper https://t.ly/bB2ef

Stuart Hall Moral panic book https://t.ly/sK1rF

Pace and Devenot on right-wing psychedelia https://t.ly/6mbDe

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Episode 7: Wilderness guide, survival expert, sustainability consult and critical system thinker Huck Middeke.

This episode was recorded on Sep 25th, 2023

Video version: https://youtu.be/y3iB_zHRE4o

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:08:06 Introduction

00:10:34 What is a yurt?

00:19:54 The backstory of Huck's yurt

00:27:11 Yurt practicalities

00:35:43 Huck's basic premises

00:42:29 Circles of awareness and disturbance

00:54:57 We don't know what a sustainable lifestyle looks like

01:03:40 Do humans have a fundamental need to push their limits?

01:08:24 Exploration and the power of the individual

01:18:00 "Normal" lifestyles as an addiction

01:21:05 Superyachts

01:40:23 An intergenerationally sustainable lifestyle cannot be taught

01:47:52 Communities and illusions of independence

01:58:21 Exploring the edge of your comfort zone

02:04:45 Overshoot

02:08:27 You cannot force people into a lifeboat

02:23:06 Will there be a hi-tech civilization in a 100, 1000 or million years?

02:34:00 Celebrating lo-tech

02:42:20 Becoming an interplanetary species

02:55:12 Formula 1 and technological progress

03:05:23 Overshoot and nature deficit disorder

03:11:26 Forest destruction and protection

03:17:38 Nonlinear and slow forest time

03:22:34 Nature connection exercise

03:26:58 How Huck became a wilderness guide

03:36:15 What does a wilderness guide do?

03:45:40 The meaning of the wild

04:01:56 Fear in the wild

04:06:28 What Huck's wilderness sessions entail

04:21:10 Six survival priorities

04:24:40 Barefoot walking and cold exposure

04:40:51 Nomad Town

04:49:01 Creating electricity with a bike

04:51:47 Shared permanent living in Nomad Town

04:57:55 The yurt doesn't need to be warmed up all the time

05:03:02 Clever yurt hacks and other practicalities

05:10:33 Resilience hubs

05:14:17 Defining resilience

05:18:47 Types of survival situations

05:25:15 What to do in a survival situation & the STOP tool

05:32:42 Full moon full stop

05:47:29 The most important survival skills

05:51:56 Survivalism and preppers

05:55:30 Primitivism

06:00:14 Progress

06:03:32 Is there moral progress?

06:06:29 Roots

06:09:32 Fatherhood as biased responsibility

06:12:12 Initiation rites

06:14:52 Short final questions

06:09:11 Afterword

Huck's Linkedin: https://t.ly/GdRrH

Huck's Youtube https://t.ly/pHo9P

Nordic by Nature https://www.nordicbynature.net

Syvä työ – hyvä työ -kirja https://t.ly/8qT0f

Viznut's text about permacomputing https://t.ly/9fsog

Viznut on the Ihmisiä, siis eläimiä podcast https://t.ly/NUzEt

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Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist.

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Episode 6: Neil Woods, former UK police officer and undercover drugs operative.

This episode was recorded on March 9th, 2023.

Video version: https://youtu.be/kBokFgQ6gP4

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:02:22 How a cop started opposing the drug war

00:05:26 In the beginning, Neil was a terrible cop

00:08:41 You can't talk your way through every conflict

00:11:02 Neil's pioneering undercover work in the UK

00:16:04 Why didn't UK cops learn from US cops?

00:20:14 Opposing approaches to doing undercover work

00:22:41 What people don't know about undercover work

00:27:12 The first time Neil thought he would die

00:30:35 Neil was a good liar.

00:32:41 Difficult ethical conclusions

00:34:27 When you can tell no one what you're doing

00:38:58 Neil's abusive relationship

00:43:19 Vicious encounters with The Burger Bar Boys

00:50:23 What you don't include in your reports

00:55:31 The knife in the groin

01:00:09 Neil's relationship with mortality and trauma

01:06:15 Neil and adrenaline

01:08:37 Saved by instinct and spontaneous aggression

01:16:28 Weaponizing empathy

01:21:16 How Neil and his colleagues harmed people and justified it

01:25:28 Does the militarization of police increase security?

01:33:05 Neil's shocking police corruption story

01:36:43 Instinct

01:39:16 Manipulating vulnerable people

01:42:34 Neil's systematic ruthlessness

01:44:40 Why do intelligent people disagree with Neil on the drug war?

01:51:12 Have the effects of cannabis legalization been a disappointment?

01:54:53 Disadvantaged people bear the burden of the drug war

01:57:35 Prince Harry's comments on psychedelics

02:00:53 How Neil decided to stop being a cop

02:05:55 Policy are leading drug law reform in the UK

02:08:32 Neil – public enemy number one

02:10:32 Short final questions

02:18:25 Afterword

LEAP's (Law Enforcement Action Partnership) web page https://t.ly/YlCx_

Neil's web page https://t.ly/gjGeP

Neil's Twitter https://twitter.com/wudzee0

Neil's books on Goodreads https://t.ly/gKB23

The Heroic Hearts project https://t.ly/hC1hU

Jason Reed's Stop and Search podcast https://t.ly/wMUXB

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Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist.

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Episode 5: Jeronimo Mazarrasa, social innovation director at ICEERS.

This episode was recorded on March 6th, 2023.

Video version: https://youtu.be/4NRy2fQQi2A

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:02:38 Introduction and Jeronimo's work with ICEERS

00:06:03 What is ayahuasca, and why is this a difficult question?

00:13:14 Ayahuasca as an adaptogen

00:17:40 Preserving and transforming traditions

00:22:51 Difficulties in integrating sacred plants

00:35:09 Yoga, meditation and the stripping of cultural contexts

00:41:48 The collective and communal aspects of ayahuasca practices

00:50:50 Local identity and ancestors

00:58:30 The dark side of glamorizing indigenous traditions

01:10:21 Modern initiation rituals

01:16:44 Psychedelics and the ethics of touch

01:22:54 The role of mentorship and apprenticeship

01:36:35 Tribes and tribalism

01:45:19 Relationships between indigenous and western cultures

01:51:46 Tourism destroys what it looks for

02:01:59 The tensions between individuals and communities

02:13:08 New age, globalization and populism

02:25:44 The unintended consequences of the psychedelic renaissance

02:44:19 After the renaissance, the enlightenment

02:51:33 Ayahuasca accidents, deaths and media panic

03:00:00 Envisioning a positive psychedelic future

03:07:57 Comparing ayahuasca to other risky activities

03:16:20 Proceeding slowly, responding to moral panics

03:24:31 Better ayahuasca practices

03:36:00 Ayahuasca and consent – tricky

03:42:55 The dangers of "ayahuasca told me"

03:55:24 Ayahuasca and narcissists

04:03:42 Brazilian ayahuasca churches

04:15:03 Infrastructural and financial aspects of ayahuasca churches

04:23:04 Innocently disrespectful psychedelic tourists

04:33:05 William Gibson and the starfish

04:41:11 The Ayahuasca Defense Fund

04:45:57 Meaning, disenchantment and psychedelic adaptogens

04:49:17 Psychedelics are hard to categorize

04:54:56 Jeronimo's separation ritual

04:56:51 Forgetting who we are

05:00:51 Short final questions

05:07:29 Afterword

Adam Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis

A collection of Jeronimo's talks and interviews https://t.ly/VURFn

Jeronimo's film with Bruce Parry, Tawai: A Voice From the Forest https://www.tawai.earth

Jeronimo's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ayadox

ICEERS: web page https://www.iceers.org/

ICEERS: Safety and Integration courses https://iceersacademy.mykajabi.com

ICEERS: "Towards Better Ayahuasca Practices" guide https://t.ly/N4gAu

ICEERS: Twitter https://twitter.com/NGO_ICEERS

ICEERS: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weareiceers/

ICEERS: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ICEERS/

ICEERS: Telegram https://t.me/ICEERS

ADF: Twitter https://twitter.com/DefendAyahuasca

ADF: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/defendayahuasca/

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Episode 4: Ethan Nadelmann, founder and former executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance and host of the Psychoactive podcast.

This episode was recorded on July 20th, 2022.

Video version: https://youtu.be/c0_X6qdVgic

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:02:04 Ethan and Finland.

00:02:47 Ethan's interest in drugs.

00:05:09 Cannabis, psychedelics and drug policy activism.

00:08:07 Psychedelic exceptionalism.

00:11:07 US Constitution and freedom.

00:15:31 Drugs and poison in Portugal.

00:17:26 The Founding Fathers and drug policy.

00:21:31 Freedom of religion and drug use?

00:27:50 Ethan's interest in drug policy reform.

00:32:11 Does the drug war equal prohibition?

00:34:18 Drug war rhetoric in the Philippines.

00:38:30 Drug policy, racism and stigmatization.

00:43:38 Jewish roots as a motivational force.

00:49:49 Drugs and the Third Reich.

00:55:49 Recognizing the end of the drug war.

01:01:12 The war on e-cigarettes.

01:08:47 Snus and nicotine harm reduction.

01:14:11 Black market cannabis after legalization.

01:22:33 Why does prohibition make organized crime more violent?

01:27:20 More effective policing, more violent gangs.

01:34:59 The drug war makes cops stupid and corrupt.

01:39:24 Finnish cops and drug policy reform.

01:44:18 The rise of American neo-fascism.

01:53:10 Reform and anti-drug conservatives.

02:02:28 Liberty, freedom and the left.

02:06:40 Should all drugs be legally regulated?

02:10:52 A dark legalization scenario.

02:14:00 The idea of "a drug free world" as a form of totalitarianism.

02:17:40 Short final questions.

02:22:49 Afterword

Ethan's Twitter https://twitter.com/ethannadelmann

The Psychoactive podcast https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-psychoactive-84544756

Drug Policy Alliance's web site https://drugpolicy.org/

Drug Policy Alliance's Twitter https://twitter.com/DrugPolicyOrg

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Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist.

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Episode 3: Worker, author, musician, storyteller and culture activist Stephen Jenkinson

This episode was recorded on May 25th, 2022

Video version: https://youtu.be/U8HOlrHffZs

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:04:04 A culture that doesn't believe in endings or limitations. Machines and tools.

00:09:06 Tere Vadén, syntytieto and addiction to progress.

00:13:21 Elders and the alchemy of crafting wine.

00:17:10 The rough start of Henry's parenthood and diminishment.

00:20:41 Wisdom and elderhood

00:24:50 Particularity, locality and farming.

00:28:55 Leisure, parenthood and priorities.

00:33:16 Parenting in a sane culture.

00:39:27 Children, temporarity and community

00:44:11 Health and meaning

00:47:20 A wake. Becoming an ancestor.

00:51:02 Embracing ambivalence and temporariness.

00:54:53 What in our behavior shows that we really know that we are dying?

01:02:42 Death avoidance.

01:08:57 Griefwalker and parents faced with the prospect of a dying child.

01:15:10 Grief illiteracy and death phobia. Loving when there's no forever.

01:26:38 Short final questions.

01:31:25 Afterword

Other keywords:

Hands

Prejudice

Parentling

Village

Clarity

Humility

Mastery

Vagrancy

Uncertainty

Prayer

Links:

James W. Jesso's podcast Adventures Through the Mind https://www.jameswjesso.com/podcast

Stephen's book Die Wise https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22716546-die-wise

Griefwalker, a documentary on Stephen's work https://www.nfb.ca/film/griefwalker

Stephen's page Orphan Wisdom https://orphanwisdom.com/

Orphan Wisdom's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/orphanwisdom

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Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Some topics and keywords: deep time, cognition, creativity, mental health, technology, religion, play, ecology, sexuality, slowing down, AI, wisdom, cold swimming, reality tunnels, movement, stillness, psychedelics, antifragility, conscientiousness, beginner mindset, political polarization, pratītyasamutpāda, magic, music, game b, altered states of consciousness, commitment, BJJ, decentralization, energy policy, dance, language, adulting, drug policy, meditation, metamodernism, meaning crisis, neurodiversity, emergence, honesty, sensemaking, animalness, (post)rationality, media, death, love.

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Episode #2: Theory artist Emil Ejner Friis who's strangely involved with Hanzi Freinacht's very inspiring books The Listening Society and The Nordic Ideology.

This episode was recorded on Oct 13, 2021

Video version: https://youtu.be/g8CBgfvkjv4

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:05:08 Introduction.

00:05:39 What is a listening society?

00:11:18 Polarization and metamodern bridgebuilding. Understanding developmental stages and value memes.

00:16:17 Learning to talk with people who you disagree with and that as a privilege.

00:19:55 Effective value memes and the relationship between modernism, postmodernism and metamodernism.

00:26:03 Happiness and its critics.

00:28:30 Categorizing metamodernism.

00:32:20 Criticisms of stage theories. Multiplicity of paradigms.

00:37:34 The flat earth rabbit hole and epistemic disagreements. Gandhi and attractors.

00:43:51 Metamodernism and new sincerity. Both both/and and either/or thinking. Metamodern movies.

00:50:40 How (not) to become a good metamodern philosopher. Post-cynicism, hope and despair.

00:53:55 David Foster Wallace and real rebels.

00:56:34 Short final questions.

00:59:39 Afterword.

Other keywords:

Alienation

Loneliness

Self-actualization

Self esteem

Gemeinschaft politics

Relationships

Welfare state

Psychological development

Integral theory

Spiral dynamics

Cognitive complexity

Happiness

Hedonism

Suffering

Postrationality

Game B

Metamemes

John Vervaeke

Daniel Schmachtenberger

Postpostmodernism

Fatalism

Polarities

Sincirony

Links:

Peter Limberg's post mentioning existential ultracatastrophes https://bit.ly/3nRi3dX

Nora Bateson's post on stage theories https://bit.ly/3nRi2Xr

Future Islands's performance on Letterman https://bit.ly/310UdDp

David Foster Wallace quote https://bit.ly/3DVrX3Y

Emil Ejner Friis on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/emil.e.friis

Hanzi Freinacht on Twitter https://twitter.com/HFreinacht

Hanzi Freinacht's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/HanziFreinacht

Hanzi Freinacht's personal Facebook https://bit.ly/3raUrD8

Hanzi's Metamoderna think tank https://metamoderna.org

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Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Some topics and keywords: deep time, cognition, creativity, mental health, technology, religion, play, ecology, sexuality, slowing down, AI, wisdom, cold swimming, reality tunnels, movement, stillness, psychedelics, antifragility, conscientiousness, beginner mindset, political polarization, pratītyasamutpāda, magic, music, game b, altered states of consciousness, commitment, BJJ, decentralization, energy policy, dance, language, adulting, drug policy, meditation, metamodernism, meaning crisis, neurodiversity, emergence, honesty, sensemaking, animalness, (post)rationality, media, death, love.

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Episode 1: Professor of geosciences and environmental studies Marcia Bjornerud, the author of Timefulness and Reading the Rocks.

This episode was recorded on Sep 16, 2021.

Video: https://youtu.be/t_EiXnzMR9U

Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3uhlUTl

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00:00:00 Foreword

00:02:53 Introduction. How Henry found Marcia's work.

00:04:38 What is the earth? Marcia and science.

00:07:01 What is and isn't geology?

00:09:11 What are pure and applied sciences?

00:11:10 The effects of thinking like a geologist. Timefulness.

00:15:39 Contextualizing geology in education.

00:18:45 Thinking in long timescales. Chronos and kairos.

00:21:19 Examples of things that have taken a billion years.

00:25:38 The impact of oil on or societies. Oil as a hyperobject. No manual for living on this planet.

00:28:18 Hope in solace. Our lack of wisdom.

00:31:35 Viewing oil as sacred.

00:33:06 The Onkalo nuclear waste repository project in Olkiluoto and long-term thinking.

00:36:42 Rocks as nouns instead of verbs.

00:38:57 Thinking of phenomena as processes and systems. Expanding our cultural grammar.

00:42:19 Respecting the power of time, the processes of evolution and natural objects. Healing.

00:44:20 The map of the geological timescale and glorification of the lone genius.

00:47:38 The history of maps and thinking about maps.

00:49:20 What is time and how does Marcia think about it? The earth's creativity.

00:52:13 Time as an illusion. Cartesian dualism and the conflict of axioms.

00:55:44 Marcia's relationship with the future.

00:58:33 Polytemporality.

00:59:57 Samuel Scheffler and the role of yet unborn generations in our life and our sanity.

01:03:00 The secretary of the future.

01:05:23 Short final questions.

01:09:37 Afterword

Other keywords:

Geography

Supercontinents

Plate tectonics

Pangaia

Fossil fuels

Materialism

Onkalo

Olkiluoto

Deep time

Civilization

Deep history

The long now

Links:

Marcia's book Timefulness https://bit.ly/39DH58j

Vincent Ialenti's book Deep Time Reckoning https://bit.ly/3zQtB44

Dialogue series "Untangling the Worldknot of Consciousness" by John Vervaeke and Gregg Henriques https://bit.ly/3ufTGIj

P. D. James's book The Children of Men https://bit.ly/3ANkkuy

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Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Some topics and keywords: deep time, cognition, creativity, mental health, technology, religion, play, ecology, sexuality, slowing down, AI, wisdom, cold swimming, reality tunnels, movement, stillness, psychedelics, antifragility, conscientiousness, beginner mindset, political polarization, pratītyasamutpāda, magic, music, game b, altered states of consciousness, commitment, BJJ, decentralization, energy policy, dance, language, adulting, drug policy, meditation, metamodernism, meaning crisis, neurodiversity, emergence, honesty, sensemaking, animalness, (post)rationality, media, death, love.

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