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In this episode, Pastor Joel Wayne and Pastor Luke Bilberry sit down with Pastor Mike Joslyn for a candid, practical conversation on the mistakes young leaders make—and the deeper identity issues that often sit beneath them.
Together, they unpack why so many new (and seasoned) leaders feel pressure to prove themselves, why listening is more Christlike than leading with statements, and how the search for validation can quietly pull your heart away from God and toward the approval of people. From avoiding conflict to measuring the wrong things to carrying burdens we were meant to share, this episode shines a light on the subtle traps that shape unhealthy leadership.
Ultimately, the conversation keeps circling back to a single, critical theme: Spiritual leadership is not about outcomes, optics, or speed—it’s about obedience, impact, and becoming someone worth emulating.
Whether you’re stepping into leadership for the first time, serving in your church, leading in the workplace, or simply wanting to grow as a follower of Jesus, this episode will challenge you to slow down, ask better questions, listen well, and aim your life at the right target.
What you’ll learn:
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In this episode, Pastor Joel Wayne and Pastor Luke Bilberry sit down with Pastor Mike Joslyn for a candid, practical conversation on the mistakes young leaders make—and the deeper identity issues that often sit beneath them.
Together, they unpack why so many new (and seasoned) leaders feel pressure to prove themselves, why listening is more Christlike than leading with statements, and how the search for validation can quietly pull your heart away from God and toward the approval of people. From avoiding conflict to measuring the wrong things to carrying burdens we were meant to share, this episode shines a light on the subtle traps that shape unhealthy leadership.
Ultimately, the conversation keeps circling back to a single, critical theme: Spiritual leadership is not about outcomes, optics, or speed—it’s about obedience, impact, and becoming someone worth emulating.
Whether you’re stepping into leadership for the first time, serving in your church, leading in the workplace, or simply wanting to grow as a follower of Jesus, this episode will challenge you to slow down, ask better questions, listen well, and aim your life at the right target.
What you’ll learn:
Join Our Email List | https://bethechurch.org/podcast/
Leave a Review and Subscribe
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1lB8pnN6bhexbvj5KRGTRq
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-the-church-with-joel-wayne/id1845408311
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI
Connect With Us
Website: https://bethechurch.org/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI

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