Today, Hunter sat down with Marea Beeman, Director of Research Initiatives for Defender Legal Services at the National Legal Aid and Defender Association (NLADA), to discuss their recent report, “At What Cost? Findings from an Examination into the Imposition of Public Defense System Fees.

 

If you ask the average person what the word “free” means, they will likely tell you it means whatever is considered “free” does not have any cost associated with it. So, when people hear, “If you cannot afford counsel, one will be appointed to you at no cost to yourself”, people would likely assume that this attorney is “free”. Anyone who is familiar with our legal system, however, will inform you that you will likely have to pay for your Public Defender. In fact, in many states, the first time you appear before a judge, that judge will make clear to you that your counsel will cost you.

 

From a top-down look at all 50 states, to deep dives into the Public Defender fees in Oklahoma, Iowa, and New Hampshire, Marea and Hunter discuss the various ways these fees trap people in never ending cycles of debt that can lead to future incarceration, loss of driving privileges, and work to perpetuate a broken, predatory legal system

 

Guests:

 

Marea Beeman, Director of Research Initiatives for Defender Legal Services at the National Legal Aid and Defender Association (NLADA),

 

Key Topics and Takeaways:

How Marea got into this work [8:00]

 

What is the NLADA [9:30]

 

What do you mean my “free attorney” isn’t free [10:30]

 

Difference Between Fines and Fees [14:20]

 

Methodology of the Study [17:50]

 

The Issues with Indigency Determination [21:00]

 

Findings from Oklahoma [26:13]

 

Findings in Iowa [39:40]

 

Findings in New Hampshire [53:00]

 

Solutions to the Issue [57:00]

 

 

Resources:

NLADA Report

 

NY Times Report on Alabama Fees and Fines

 

Alabama Appleseed Report

 

Fuller v Oregon (SCOTUS found there is a legitimate interest in states recovering the cost of representation)

 

Bearden v Georgia

 

 

 

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