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Jessica and I spoke about several stories from the past week involving religion and politics.

— Eric Swalwell’s resignation caps an up-and-down history with secular humanism. (0:45)

— A barista says she was fired for her Christian faith. The facts are far more nuanced. (17:06)

— National puppetry group faces backlash for platforming anti-LGBTQ Christian puppetry group. (32:46)

— In final meeting, Trump’s "Religious Liberty" chair calls church/state separation a “lie.” (54:46)

— Pastor faces manslaughter charge after man dies in baptism gone wrong. (1:06:21)

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