Mark talks about his visit to the Rusch Academy aka "Gravel Camp" put on by Rebecca Rusch. Michael covers his team's experience at the 65 Roses fitness competition. They discuss teammates vs liabilities, being the weakest guy in the strongest group, the release of RAZE 4 and an Anthology of all five issues of the Zine, as well as a couple of future products and projects. The least cynical episode yet.