Corporate sustainability is currently facing a significant setback due to recent shifts in the geopolitical landscape. But how should businesses best respond, and how can they gather the courage to keep going working towards becoming more sustainable?

This week on the FranklySpeaking podcast, Richard Howitt was joined by author and speaker Andrew Winston, who has published multiple books on sustainability and was named as the third most influential management thinker in the world by Thinkers50. 

Together they dived into the debate on whether or not the acronym ESG should be dropped in favour of another term, and discussed what’s the most important thing to watch out for when it comes to AI from a sustainability perspective. You’ll also hear more about:

• Why Andrew believes the business case for sustainability isn’t the be all and end all - sometimes sustainability costs more, but so what?

• How business leaders can come together to fight climate change even in the face of political backlash 

• Andrew’s personal struggle with depression and the difficulty of being able to champion sustainability in the midst of a very challenging geopolitical context 

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