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What does it look like to hold both joy and sorrow at the same time? In this episode, we sit down with author and therapist, Nicole Zasowski, to talk about the tensions of hope and heartbreak, grief and goodness, and the power of celebration in the life of a leader.

Nicole shares encouragement for women in  ministry who feel the weight of the world or the fear of the unknown, reminding us that joy is not a denial of reality but a choice rooted in truth. We explore how to lead when negativity surrounds us, why celebration carries deep theological significance (and isn’t just “elementary”), and what practical rhythms can help us cultivate joy in our everyday lives.

Whether you need fresh hope for your ministry, courage to face change, or simply a reminder that joy is available here and now, this conversation with Nicole will leave you encouraged and equipped.

Check out Nicole's Bible Study for women, Daring Joy! 

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