Some people hate small talk. But frankly all of us could do a bit better and use it more as an opportunity to spark the beginnings of a friendship. Let's face it all friendships start small.

Matt and Karo come up with some guidelines for small talk. Let's face it, we all dread it sometimes, but maybe we need to reframe it. Every friendship starts small. So why not give ourselves the best chance to turn small talk into a big friendship. Karo and Matt debate what even qualifies as small talk.

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