Michael and Mark discuss profit, value, and win-win trade relationships as well as the so-called prophets who inundate us with information that suffocates creativity and dissent. This opens the topic of politics, control, and eventually some learning and inspiration from an unlikely podcast. Along the way they wrestle the question of why people gather to hear stories told by folks who have gone to the edge, seen something — maybe too much — and returned to share their experience, as in, if you want to know, why not seek that edge yourself?