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93) One for Israel, a Jewish Defense of the Trinity, the Trinity and the Torah: Response Part 2
In Part 1 (the previous episode, #92) I began to respond to
some of the claims made in the One for Israel video called “The Trinity and the Torah,
a Jewish Defense of the Trinity”. I noted that the so-called “mysterious unity
of (one-God-in-three-persons) is not a biblical mystery, but is a man-made
mystery that comes from centuries after the Bible was written, from Gentiles
land outside of the Land of Israel.
Also, that the idea of agency is a much better way to understand how God’s messengers
can speak and act for God. God’s agents
or messengers even speak in the first person as God, as they are delegated and
authorized by God to do so. When God’s messengers speak, God speaks.
In the current episode:
01:00 Appealing to Dr. Benjamin Sommer. The
necessity to appeal to Dr. Sommer’s ideas for evidence of more one person in
God is an admission that the Bible makes no such declaration.
02:47 An example of an essential biblical truth,
which unlike the doctrine of the Trinity, is directly and consistently
described in the New Testament: that God raised the man Jesus from the dead.
04:54 Since a multi-person God is not declared in
the Bible, people, including Gentile Christians, long for some scrap of “Jewish”
evidence that God can be multi-personal. This the appeal to Dr. Sommer.
06:06 Who is Dr. Benjamin Sommer? His views on the
authority and origin of Scripture, the Documentary Hypothesis, and the Bodies
of God. Dr. Sommer’s view is closer akin to Modalism or Hinduism.
12:32 Is the Trinity in the Old Testament? What
about Genesis 1:26? Does anyone in the New Testament go to the Old Testament to
find evidence that God is triune?
14:54 Is the Trinity in the New Testament?
Constructing a god from hints and clues, first finding verses that allegedly
claim that Jesus is literally a second deity figure. What about John 1? Romans
10:9, 1 Cor. 8:6 - verses appealed in the One for Israel video do not declare
that God is triune, and in fact, declare that the Father is the one God.
19:37 Are Israeli Jewish believers in Jesus
Trinitarians? Most would say no. The deceptive bait and switch: finding evidence
in the Bible that Jesus is the Messiah, but then insisting that Jesus is
literally God.
22:40 A Trinity claim is an attempt to denigrate the
only True God, the Father. A challenge from Deut. 32:6, Malachi 2:10 and John
17:1-3
For an analysis of the Documentary Hypothesis, see:
Casuto, U. The Documentary Hypothesis
https://www.amazon.com/Documentary-Hypothesis-Umberto-Cassuto/dp/9657052351
In pdf format:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://shalempress.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/29_3_2011_55_29_cas-gen.pdf
Benjamin Sommer:
Quotes from Benjamin Sommer about his book Bodies of God in this podcast:
https://kavvanah.blog/2015/05/13/interview-with-benjamin-sommer-on-revelation-and-authority-sinai-in-jewish-scripture-and-tradition/
Benjamin Sommer Lectures: The Bodies of God
https://biblicalstudiesonline.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/benjamin-d-sommer-on-gods-body/
Book: The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bodies-of-god-and-the-world-of-ancient-israel/72E589D9BD86AEDF5DBF5043453C203F
#oneforisrael, #trinityandtheTorah, #deityofchrist, #agency, #billschlegel, #non-binaryjesus, #biblicalunitarian,
#benjaminsommer, #bodiesofgod, #deityofchrist, #onegodreport
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In Part 1 (the previous episode, #92) I began to respond to
some of the claims made in the One for Israel video called “The Trinity and the Torah,
a Jewish Defense of the Trinity”. I noted that the so-called “mysterious unity
of (one-God-in-three-persons) is not a biblical mystery, but is a man-made
mystery that comes from centuries after the Bible was written, from Gentiles
land outside of the Land of Israel.
Also, that the idea of agency is a much better way to understand how God’s messengers
can speak and act for God. God’s agents
or messengers even speak in the first person as God, as they are delegated and
authorized by God to do so. When God’s messengers speak, God speaks.
In the current episode:
01:00 Appealing to Dr. Benjamin Sommer. The
necessity to appeal to Dr. Sommer’s ideas for evidence of more one person in
God is an admission that the Bible makes no such declaration.
02:47 An example of an essential biblical truth,
which unlike the doctrine of the Trinity, is directly and consistently
described in the New Testament: that God raised the man Jesus from the dead.
04:54 Since a multi-person God is not declared in
the Bible, people, including Gentile Christians, long for some scrap of “Jewish”
evidence that God can be multi-personal. This the appeal to Dr. Sommer.
06:06 Who is Dr. Benjamin Sommer? His views on the
authority and origin of Scripture, the Documentary Hypothesis, and the Bodies
of God. Dr. Sommer’s view is closer akin to Modalism or Hinduism.
12:32 Is the Trinity in the Old Testament? What
about Genesis 1:26? Does anyone in the New Testament go to the Old Testament to
find evidence that God is triune?
14:54 Is the Trinity in the New Testament?
Constructing a god from hints and clues, first finding verses that allegedly
claim that Jesus is literally a second deity figure. What about John 1? Romans
10:9, 1 Cor. 8:6 - verses appealed in the One for Israel video do not declare
that God is triune, and in fact, declare that the Father is the one God.
19:37 Are Israeli Jewish believers in Jesus
Trinitarians? Most would say no. The deceptive bait and switch: finding evidence
in the Bible that Jesus is the Messiah, but then insisting that Jesus is
literally God.
22:40 A Trinity claim is an attempt to denigrate the
only True God, the Father. A challenge from Deut. 32:6, Malachi 2:10 and John
17:1-3
For an analysis of the Documentary Hypothesis, see:
Casuto, U. The Documentary Hypothesis
https://www.amazon.com/Documentary-Hypothesis-Umberto-Cassuto/dp/9657052351
In pdf format:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://shalempress.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/29_3_2011_55_29_cas-gen.pdf
Benjamin Sommer:
Quotes from Benjamin Sommer about his book Bodies of God in this podcast:
https://kavvanah.blog/2015/05/13/interview-with-benjamin-sommer-on-revelation-and-authority-sinai-in-jewish-scripture-and-tradition/
Benjamin Sommer Lectures: The Bodies of God
https://biblicalstudiesonline.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/benjamin-d-sommer-on-gods-body/
Book: The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bodies-of-god-and-the-world-of-ancient-israel/72E589D9BD86AEDF5DBF5043453C203F
#oneforisrael, #trinityandtheTorah, #deityofchrist, #agency, #billschlegel, #non-binaryjesus, #biblicalunitarian,
#benjaminsommer, #bodiesofgod, #deityofchrist, #onegodreport
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