In a first for the Babble, we talk to someone very much on The Other Side.David Hone is chief climate change advisor... to Shell.After 30 years in the energy industry he's written a new book, Putting The Genie Back: Solving the Climate and Energy Dilemma, in which he maintains that fossil fuels will be with us for many decades to come."He would say that, wouldn't he?". Very possibly, but David is also unquestionably committed to finding ways to meet the Paris Agreement aims.So we ask how on earth he squares the 'more fossil fuels, less climate change' circle; what it's like trying to save the planet inside a company that's a life member of Inhofe Corner; and why gaffa taping CO2 in the ground is such a great idea.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by the legendary Dicky Moore – https://soundcloud.com/dickymooAvailable on iTunes, Acast, Soundcloud & all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Facebook.com/sustainababble. Email us at [email protected].