Tuesday night's vice presidential debate, moderated by CBS, doesn't seem to have moved the needle much with voters. "Do no harm" seems to be the clear winner - which, on the surface should benefit J.D. Vance more. I happen to think the soundbites leave more "meat on the bone" for Harris/Walz to make use of for "leftovers," though.

Joining me to discuss is local Democratic consultant Andrew Heaton.

Also, if you don't know who "Mencious Moldbug " is yet, get to know his creepy influence on J.D. Vance, the MAGA-churian candidate who clings to his every thought and word. There's a lot about him in print (here, here and most recently here) but political media has largely let Vance's affinity for this far-right lunatic's philosophy. That is, until Rachel Maddow seamed it all together for the masses. I'll credit Michael Millerman - political philosopher and scholar - for being on this story months ago, as well.