Ravi welcomes New York Times Op-Ed columnist Pamela Paul to the show to discuss her skepticism about Vice President Kamala Harris as a candidate and the way in which Harris became the presumptive Democratic nominee. Ravi and Pamela explore what Harris needs to do to start making her case to voters, from the importance of a new vision for K-12 education to how voters crave authenticity in today's politics. They also discuss Pamela’s recent piece, 'The Republican Party’s Elite Conundrum,' which examines how Ivy League graduates lead the Republican Party but downplay any whiff of intellectualism.

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