Van and Rachel welcome Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro to discuss his memoir, ‘Where We Keep the Light,’ working across the aisle in the MAGA age, and community policing. Plus, addressing the rise in anti-semitism and approaching division on the Israel-Gaza conflict.

(0:00) Intro

(03:32) ‘Where We Keep the Light’

(08:58) Are we better than this?

(16:22) Crime and policing

(29:37) An NBA tangent

(32:26) Relationship with Meek Mill

(38:07) “Too bad a Jew can’t be president”

(46:03) Israel and the war in Gaza

Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

Guest: Gov. Josh Shapiro

Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley

Social Producer: Bernard Moore

Video Supervision: Chris Thomas

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