A World of Difference

If you're feeling overwhelmed by the complexities of racial justice and faith intersections, and wondering how to truly make a difference, then you are not alone! The struggle to understand the historical context and apply it to modern-day challenges can be daunting. Many may be seeking guidance on how to effectively navigate these issues and create meaningful change.

Jemar Tisby, the New York Times bestselling author of "The Color of Compromise," is a historian, author, and speaker. His work has been featured in reputable platforms such as CNN, the Washington Post, the Atlantic, and the New York Times. Jemar's expertise in addressing the truth about the American church's complicity in racism makes him a significant voice in the intersection of faith and racial justice. As a PhD candidate in history at the University of Mississippi, his commitment to shedding light on historical lessons from abolitionist movements and advocating for social reform through interracial solidarity is evident in his work. Jemar's impact extends beyond academia as he is the founder and president of the Witness of Black Christian Collective and the co-host of the Pass the Mic podcast. His dedication to historical research and advocacy for justice makes him an influential figure in the conversation on racial equity and social change.

Doug Strong, an esteemed author and professor with a wealth of knowledge in American religious history, specifically focusing on the 19th-century revivalism and social reform, is a vital voice in the discussion of faith and racial justice. With an MDIV and a PhD from Princeton Theological Seminary, Doug's expertise and dedication to understanding the historical abolitionist movements bring valuable insights to the current social and racial justice landscape. As a committed pastor and a professor at Seattle Pacific University, Doug's passion for intercultural learning and his extensive experience in leading students on international trips underscore his commitment to shaping a global perspective on faith and justice. His contributions to the Awakening to Justice: Faithful Voices from the Abolitionist Past project reflect his deep understanding of the impact of historical narratives on contemporary social reform.

The theological, the Christian principle of loving your neighbor as yourself is still applicable in that situation. And what it forces us to do is to try to perceive the world from another person's perspective, which is what a world of difference podcast is all about. - Jemar Tisby

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The justification follows the action. In the case of us race-based chattel slavery, slaveholders were going to get their money. They were going to find laborers. They were going to increase their bottom line by not paying them. And then they were going to come up with the rationale and the reasoning to justify it. - Jemar Tisby

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Does this sound familiar? Have you ever felt the pressure of unrealistic expectations weighing you down, leaving you questioning your worth? It's a struggle many of us face, especially as women, and it can be incredibly disheartening. But what if there was a way to break free from the cycle and embrace your true self-worth? Let's dive into how embracing individuality and self-worth through empowering messages in music can transform your life.

My special guest is Shannan Copland

Shannan Copland, an indie pop artist based in Portland, Oregon, is recognized for her impactful and relatable music as a singer/songwriter. Born and raised in the SF Bay Area, California, she studied music from a young age, with a strong foundation in piano and vocal training. Collaborating with musicians and educators globally, including ones in Norway, Italy, and Portugal, has enriched her musical style with diverse cultural influences. With a love for piano and voice, she involved herself in every musical opportunity available and her passion for songwriting ignited during her teenage years. After high school, Shannan toured the United States with a group singing in schools and also performed in a theater. Her upcoming release "Enough" is poised to further empower women by promoting self-worth and authenticity. Shannan's music contains powerful messages that resonate with audiences, offering a source of strength and self-acceptance, particularly for women navigating their unique journeys.

Shannan and her husband spent the first decade of their marriage mostly living abroad in Portugal and Italy where they started a non-profit organization together. Working with talented musicians, artists and individuals from around the globe combined with her experiences living abroad have influenced her perspectives on life and the world around her which also reflect in her songwriting. Now, as she releases her own music, Shannan hopes to encourage, inspire, and provoke deeper thought through her music for listeners.

Her newest single “Enough” releases on April 12 and serves as the underlying anthem of much of her music. With its driving pop rock beat, “Enough” inspires listeners to be their authentic selves, reject image management, and not let other’s opinions or standards hold them back from achieving their aspirations.

"You are enough. The world may think otherwise of you, but it doesn't matter. Their opinions do not change your worth. Stand in that worth." - Shannan Copland

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"I want people to, after they hear this song, just to feel liberated and feel that they're worthy and that they can go out and face whatever challenges they have ahead in their own skin and be confident in that." - Shannan Copland

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Unlearning silence isn't just about finding your voice; it's about recognizing the ways we've all been complicit in silencing others. And the surprising insights from a Harvard lecturer will have you rethinking the impact of silence in your world. Join the conversation to uncover the hidden ways we contribute to silence and discover how to foster inclusive communication. It's time to unlearn the silence that holds us back. Stay tuned for the unexpected wisdom that will leave you reevaluating your role in creating a more inclusive world.

My special guest is Elaine Lin Hering.

Elaine Lin Hering is a renowned facilitator, speaker, and writer with extensive experience in communication, collaboration, and conflict management. Drawing from her background as a former managing partner of Triad Consulting Group and a lecturer at Harvard Law School, Elaine's expertise spans across various industries and continents, working with corporate, government, and nonprofit clients. Her personal journey as an immigrant from Taiwan to the United States adds a unique perspective to her work, diving deep into the impact of cultural differences on communication and strategies for inclusive leadership. With her compelling insights and vulnerability, Elaine's book, Unlearning Silence: How to Speak Your Mind, Unleash Talent, and Live More Fully, resonates with individuals seeking to navigate the complexities of silence and voice in personal and professional growth.

In what ways are the often very well-intentioned people around me, such as my manager, who in their heart of hearts wants to support me, actually silencing me? - Elaine Lin Hering

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Embrace the Power of Inclusive Communication

Inclusive communication in professional environments is essential for fostering a sense of belonging and diversity. By embracing diverse voices and perspectives, teams can collaborate more effectively and achieve better results. Creating a space where everyone feels heard and valued cultivates a positive work culture and promotes innovation.

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Being explicit doesn't mean that you have to be direct. Being explicit means, 'Oh, read the air. That's what is happening here. Can we name it?' - Elaine Lin Hering

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Did you know that the Equal Rights Amendment, aimed at guaranteeing equal rights regardless of sex, has not yet been enshrined in the US Constitution? It's a surprising reality, especially when considering the global efforts for women's equality. In this episode, we'll uncover the resilience, setbacks, and ongoing advocacy surrounding the ERA in the United States, while also delving into the international bill of rights for women known as CEDAW. But here's the kicker - despite strides made through international efforts, disparities persist, underscoring the need for continued advocacy and support. Join us as we unravel the surprising history and explore what can be done to champion gender equality. This is a call to action for making a real difference in the fight for women's rights. Stay tuned for an eye-opening revelation that will spark your curiosity and inspire you to take action.

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It's time. It's 2024, and all these other countries around the world have signed the CEDAW agreement, and the United States still hasn't. And also, we don't have an ERA for our own constitution, so what can we do? - Lori Adams Brown

Global efforts of CEDAW

The Convention on the Elimination of all forms of discrimination against women (CEDAW) is an international treaty that aims to end discrimination against women in all forms. Global efforts under CEDAW highlight the importance of gender equality and the need for legislative measures to protect and promote women's rights. Supporting CEDAW initiatives can contribute to creating a more just and equal society for all individuals.

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Human rights, women's rights, which are human rights, is so important. There's a lot of things we can get wrong, but that should just be a basic foundation. - Lori Adams Brown

Impactful Equal Rights Amendment

The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) in the US aims to constitutionally guarantee equal rights under the law for all genders. Despite facing hurdles and delays, the ERA remains critical in advancing gender equality and ensuring fair treatment for all individuals. Advocating for the ratification of the ERA is essential to promoting equal rights and opportunities for women and girls.

Together, we can come together with our differences, male allies, women on behalf of our daughters and granddaughters and future generations, but also for us now. - Lori Adams Brown

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If you're feeling like you're struggling to truly connect with others and make a significant impact as a leader, then you are not alone! The traditional approach of just speaking and not truly understanding others may not be yielding the results you desire. Instead of the impactful leadership and positive change you seek, you might be experiencing a lack of meaningful connections and a sense of frustration in your efforts to influence others.

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Mastering the Art of Active Listening: Truly successful communication revolves around the power of active listening. This skill requires patience, humility, and a readiness to prioritize the narrative of others over personal agendas. When leveraged effectively, active listening can foster fruitful dialogues that enable empathy, mutual understanding, and growth.

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When we hear each other and truly listen to understand, with our differences, we make better decisions, we make greater impact on all the things we're trying to make better in the world. - Lori Adams-Brown

Enhancing Leadership Through Communication: How one communicates as a leader significantly impacts their effectiveness. Central to this is the ability to listen with intent, as this enables better understanding of diverse perspectives and fosters empathetic collaborations. In honing this skill, leaders can transform their teams and communities, paving the way for progressive dialogue and change.

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:01 - Introduction to the Power of Listening

00:02:05 - The Skill of Listening to Understand

00:06:59 - The Impact of Listening to Understand

00:10:05 - The Importance of Body Language in Communication

00:13:15 - The Power of Listening to Understand

00:14:07 - Imagine the Impact of Listening to Understand

00:15:34 - Harnessing the Superpower of Listening to Understand

00:15:55 - Taking Action and Making a Difference

00:16:54 - Making the World a Better Place

Imagine if our world leaders, our policymakers, and imagine our influencers embracing the superpower of listening to understand.

- Lori Adams-Brown

Impact of Body Language: Communication transcends the use of verbal language, with body language accounting for a significant part of how messages are exchanged. Nuanced gestures, postures, and facial expressions often speak louder than words, providing insights into one's emotions and intentions. This underscores the need for leaders to be mindful of their body language to ensure constructive, empathetic communication.

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:01 - Introduction to the Power of Listening

Lori introduces the podcast episode and emphasizes the importance of listening to understand in shaping our world and making a positive impact.

00:02:05 - The Skill of Listening to Understand

Lori delves into the skill of listening to understand and highlights the importance of paying attention in a world filled with distractions. She emphasizes the need to go beyond simply hearing words and to listen for facts, feelings, and values.

00:06:59 - The Impact of Listening to Understand

Lori discusses how listening to understand can lead to empathizing, suspending judgment, and asking clarifying questions. She emphasizes the importance of deeper relationships and making better decisions through truly listening and understanding others.

00:10:05 - The Importance of Body Language in Communication

Lori explores the significance of body language in communication, pointing out that it accounts for 55% of how we communicate. She highlights the complexities of navigating different cultures and the role of body language in diplomacy and effective leadership.

00:13:15 - The Power of Listening to Understand

Lori discusses how effective listening can lead to empathy, collaboration, and growth in leadership, diplomacy, and social change.

00:14:07 - Imagine the Impact of Listening to Understand

Lori emphasizes the transformative impact of listening to understand in global conflicts, social justice, climate change, and workplace environments.

00:15:34 - Harnessing the Superpower of Listening to Understand

Lori encourages listeners to cultivate the superpower of listening to understand and highlights the importance of diverse perspectives in solving global problems.

00:15:55 - Taking Action and Making a Difference

Lori motivates listeners to take action by writing down their call to action, sharing it with others, and investing in themselves as leaders and influencers.

00:16:54 - Making the World a Better Place

Lori concludes by thanking global listeners for joining the journey of exploration and emphasizes the importance of listening with intention, empathy, and an open mind for making a difference in the world.

For those who are different and want to make a difference.

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If you're feeling the weight of past trauma and struggling to find healing, then you are not alone! Many individuals have tried traditional methods of healing without finding the relief they seek. Instead of finding validation and empowerment through conventional means, there's a unique path to healing waiting to be discovered through creativity and art.

My special guest is Erin Hung

Erin Hung, an artist residing in Hong Kong, brings two decades of experience in the art and design space, collaborating with prominent global brands such as Chronicle Books, American Greetings, Liberty of London, and Selfridges. Her creative journey, spanning from illustration work to murals and community art, is intertwined with her deep commitment to advocacy. A graduate from Central St. Martins School of Art and Sotheby's Institute in London, Erin's practice now revolves around amplifying voices at the fringes, working closely with mental health organizations and NGOs like UNHCR. Her profound insight into the healing power of creativity, stemming from her own experiences with religious trauma, has led her to spearhead the social media movement "A to Z of trauma recovery," inviting survivors and marginalized communities to heal creatively together. With her compelling art and thoughtful advocacy, Erin is a beacon of inspiration and empowerment.

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Impact of Spiritual Abuse

Erin Hung shares her candid experiences of spiritual abuse within her faith community, highlighting an issue that is oftentimes overlooked or swept under the rug. Such experiences can cause an individual to internalize pain and shame, profoundly impacting their perceptions of self and their relationship with their faith. As Erin rightly emphasizes, acknowledging and addressing the impacts of spiritual abuse is crucial in the journey towards healing.

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I think for people, when they say they are not creative or they're not artistically inclined, I want to try and be the person that brings that piece. That's like, maybe if I ignite this match, you might burn a fire. It might kindle a fire that could help you on your way. - Erin Hung

Transformative Power of Healing

Art has a powerful potential to heal, as guest Erin Hung explores in her personal journey of self-discovery and recovery. Channeling our creative impulses can serve as a means of processing personal experiences and finding solace, particularly when navigating trauma. As Erin notes, the exploration of art can foster empowerment, liberation, and ultimately, transformative healing.

If we don't answer to what the creative impulse or the thing that God put inside us and fully explore that, then it's very hard to imagine a way forward for ourselves and for the church. - Erin Hung

Role of Therapy as Catalyst

Therapy, particularly non-verbal modalities such as art and somatic body work, can act as a catalyst for trauma recovery. Erin Hung recounted how these therapeutic methods empowered her to process her personal traumas, finding a language for her experiences that words could not capture. As a creative outlet, therapy can enable an individual unparalleled self-expression, providing a pathway towards understanding, acceptance, and healing.

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introducing the Podcast and Guest Erin Hung

00:02:41 - Erin's Journey as an Artist and Advocate

00:10:29 - Cultural Influence on Faith and Interpretation of Scriptures

00:14:28 - Decolonizing Scriptures and Cultural Identity

00:16:17 - Disentangling Cultural Norms and Global Conversations

00:18:23 - Understanding Family Trauma and Shame Culture

00:19:23 - Overcoming Shame and Sharing Personal Trauma

00:20:32 - Decolonizing Faith and Silence

00:21:10 - Healing Through Creativity and Somatic Work

00:27:47 - Experiencing Spiritual Abuse and Gaslighting

00:35:11 - Realization of Making a Difference

00:36:39 - Healing Through Creativity

00:39:39 - The Power of Creativity

00:42:41 - A to Z of Trauma Recovery

00:49:42 - Embracing Beauty and Joy

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00:00:02 - Introducing the Podcast and Guest Erin Hung

Lori introduces the podcast and guest Erin Hung, an artist living in Hong Kong, known for her illustration work, murals, and community art. Erin's background in the evangelical faith and her journey through religious trauma is also mentioned.

00:02:41 - Erin's Journey as an Artist and Advocate

Erin shares her upbringing in an evangelical family in Hong Kong, her experiences with art and faith, and the cultural pressures she faced as a creative individual within her community. She also discusses the intersection of her faith with her artistic sensibilities.

00:10:29 - Cultural Influence on Faith and Interpretation of Scriptures

Erin delves into the impact of cultural undertones in Chinese churches, specifically the concept of Filio piety and its influence on interpretation of biblical teachings. She reflects on the need to challenge traditional interpretations and explore diverse perspectives within the faith community.

00:14:28 - Decolonizing Scriptures and Cultural Identity

Erin discusses the concept of decolonizing scriptures and its relevance to her own faith experience, particularly in the context of being Chinese and the impact of colonization on cultural identity. She highlights the growing global conversation around colonization and the need for broader understanding.

00:16:17 - Disentangling Cultural Norms and Global Conversations

Erin shares her journey of disentangling cultural norms and understanding the broader historical and global conversations surrounding colonization. She emphasizes the importance of gaining a broader worldview to challenge entrenched cultural dynamics and promote

00:18:23 - Understanding Family Trauma and Shame Culture

Erin discusses the intergenerational trauma within families and the shame culture that perpetuates silence about taboo topics, making others uncomfortable and bringing shame onto oneself and the family.

00:19:23 - Overcoming Shame and Sharing Personal Trauma

Erin shares her openness about discussing personal childhood trauma, acknowledging the potential shame it brings to friends and family, and the collective nature of shame within the community.

00:20:32 - Decolonizing Faith and Silence

Erin delves into the intertwining of faith, church abuse, submission, and shame, highlighting the tendency to silence uncomfortable truths, sweep issues under the rug, and the challenges of decolonizing these ingrained dynamics.

00:21:10 - Healing Through Creativity and Somatic Work

Erin shares her journey of healing through somatic activities like art and gardening, emphasizing how these activities helped her process trauma and connect with her spirituality in a new way.

00:27:47 - Experiencing Spiritual Abuse and Gaslighting

Erin reflects on her experiences of spiritual abuse, gaslighting, and the struggle to find her voice within church settings, ultimately leading to her pursuit of therapy to gain clarity and language for unhealthy dynamics.

00:35:11 - Realization of Making a Difference

Erin reflects on her realization that making a difference does not depend on credentials. She shares her journey of trying to make a difference and the examination of why it wasn't working.

00:36:39 - Healing Through Creativity

Erin discusses her artistic expression as a means of healing. She shares her fear of not leaving a mark in the world and the importance of exploring creativity for healing and personal growth.

00:39:39 - The Power of Creativity

Erin emphasizes the importance of creativity in finding solutions and moving forward. She encourages people to explore their creative impulses and imaginations, highlighting the need for outside-the-box thinking.

00:42:41 - A to Z of Trauma Recovery

Erin introduces the A to Z of trauma recovery movement she started, emphasizing the inclusivity and diversity in the community. She shares how creative expression is a powerful tool for healing and processing trauma.

00:49:42 - Embracing Beauty and Joy

The host reflects on the importance of adding beauty, joy, and hope in life to build resilience in facing hard times. Erin's story serves as a reminder of the power of artistic expression in navigating life's challenges.

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Hey there, are you feeling disillusioned with modern Christianity? Have you been told to just accept the status quo and keep quiet about your doubts and concerns? It can be frustrating to feel like you're not getting the authentic experience you're seeking, especially when it comes to your faith. If you're tired of the ineffective advice to just go along with it, let's explore a better way to understand the history and context of early Christians that can revitalize your faith, whatever your faith background and bring new perspective to your journey. Let's dive into the compelling insights that can reignite your passion for authentic faith, even if that seems a little strange in your current religious context.

My special guest is Dr. Nijay Gupta

Dr. Nijay Gupta, a distinguished professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, is widely recognized for his scholarly contributions to early Christian studies. Residing in Portland, Oregon, Dr. Gupta also serves as a co-host of the acclaimed Slow Theology podcast and is the founder of the influential Crux Sola blog. With an extensive repertoire of published works, including "Strange Religion," and "Tell Her Story," Dr. Gupta's comprehensive understanding of the historical and cultural context of early Christianity renders him a leading authority in the field. His latest book provides an insightful examination of the ways in which early Christians diverged from the prevalent religious and cultural norms of the Roman Empire, offering a compelling narrative that enriches our understanding of this pivotal era.

I want to believe that is a great and beautiful thing for anyone who feels like their movement has gone astray, whether it's a political movement, a religious movement, a social movement, we can always say, what are the good and beautiful and true things that made us who we are at the beginning? How can we come back to that now? - Dr. Nijay Gupta

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Experience a Paradigm Shift

The early Christian revolution led to a paradigm shift, moving from power-driven religious practices towards a focus on goodness and authenticity. It revolutionized societal perceptions, promoting a familial relationship with God over a hierarchical one. This shift redefined societal values, placing emphasis on the inherent dignity of every individual, thus influencing modern perceptions of self-worth and individual rights.

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Let suffering speak for the atrocities that are done then and now in the name of Jesus by Christians who should know better. But there's so much in scripture that has done so many good things for the things we take for granted right now. - Dr. Nijay Gupta

Embrace the Uniqueness

Embracing the uniqueness of early Christianity involves accepting its inherent non-conformity, individuality, and authenticity. It requires acknowledging the contrast between early Christian ideals and the current negative perceptions that have tainted the contemporary church. This embrace urges us to strive for a return to the faith's original, 'weird' roots, without the distortions prevalent in current mega-church culture.

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction to the Podcast

00:01:05 - Sponsorship and Therapy

00:01:27 - Introduction of Dr. Nijay Gupta

00:02:23 - The Concept of "Strange Religion,"

00:11:43 - Contrasting Ancient and Modern Religious Practices

00:14:24 - Early Christian Environment

00:17:29 - Religion in the Ancient World

00:19:47 - Gods and Fear

00:21:42 - Paradigm Shift

00:26:39 - Christianity's Evolution

00:29:47 - The Challenge of Loving Your Enemies

00:32:40 - Divisions and Unity

00:33:22 - Suspending Judgment

00:34:23 - Uncovering the Original Message

00:40:39 - The Impact of Early Christians

00:43:12 - Excitement for Podcast Movement Evolutions

00:43:36 - Meeting Listeners

00:43:56 - Gratitude and Encouragement

00:44:20 - Shoutout to Nijay Gupta

00:44:45 - Closing Remarks

Experience a Paradigm Shift

The early Christian revolution led to a paradigm shift, moving from power-driven religious practices towards a focus on goodness and authenticity. It revolutionized societal perceptions, promoting a familial relationship with God over a hierarchical one. This shift redefined societal values, placing emphasis on the inherent dignity of every individual, thus influencing modern perceptions of self-worth and individual rights.

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00:00:02 - Introduction to the Podcast

Lori Adams Brown introduces the World of Difference podcast and its focus on those who are different and want to make a difference. The podcast is sponsored by Betterhelp, emphasizing the importance of therapy for personal growth and understanding strengths.

00:01:05 - Sponsorship and Therapy

Lori highlights the role of therapy in personal development and offers a 10% discount for Betterhelp. She encourages listeners to consider the benefits of talking to a professional about life's challenges and self-discovery.

00:01:27 - Introduction of Dr. Nijay Gupta

Lori introduces Dr. Nijay Gupta, a professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, highlighting his expertise and previous works. She previews the discussion of his latest book, "Strange Religion," and its focus on early Christians contrasting with Roman culture.

00:02:23 - The Concept of "Strange Religion,"

Dr. Nijay Gupta explains the concept behind his book, "Strange Religion," drawing parallels between the unique individuality of Portland, Oregon, and the early Christians' commitment to a different way of living and beliefs. He emphasizes the need to rediscover the original, revolutionary essence of Christianity.

00:11:43 - Contrasting Ancient and Modern Religious Practices

Dr. Nijay Gupta discusses the differences between ancient Roman religion and modern Western views of religion. He highlights the public, obligatory, and practical nature of ancient Roman religion, contrasting it with the optional and personal approach often seen in modern

00:14:24 - Early Christian Environment

Dr. Nijay Gupta discusses the environment in which early Christians grew up, where religion was an obligation and a question of power and obedience to gods.

00:17:29 - Religion in the Ancient World

Gupta compares the saturation of religion in the ancient world to modern sports culture, highlighting the obligatory nature of religion during that time.

00:19:47 - Gods and Fear

Gupta explores the fear and power dynamics associated with the gods in the ancient world, and how early Christians rejected this paradigm by emphasizing a loving parental relationship with God.

00:21:42 - Paradigm Shift

The conversation delves into how early Christians shifted the religious paradigm from power and coercion to one of inherent dignity for all individuals, leading to a different socio-economic outlook.

00:26:39 - Christianity's Evolution

Gupta reflects on the need for Christianity to constantly evolve and change for the better, drawing inspiration from historical figures like Dietrich von Hoeffer and emphasizing the importance of returning to the core ideas of the faith.

00:29:47 - The Challenge of Loving Your Enemies

Dr. Nijay Gupta discusses the difficulty of Jesus' teaching to love your enemies and how it applies to our world today, especially in the face of political strife.

00:32:40 - Divisions and Unity

Dr. Gupta talks about how divisions exist not only in the political sphere but also in various parts of the world and emphasizes the importance of loving our enemies as a way to overcome these divisions and unite people.

00:33:22 - Suspending Judgment

The conversation delves into the challenge of suspending judgment, especially in today's society, and how it relates to the teachings of Jesus in the Bible.

00:34:23 - Uncovering the Original Message

Dr. Gupta shares the importance of revisiting the original teachings of Christianity and scripture, encouraging readers to look beyond the negative aspects and discover the timeless truths within.

00:40:39 - The Impact of Early Christians

The conversation concludes with a discussion on the impact of early Christians in history and how their values and ideals continue to influence social change and justice movements today.

00:43:12 - Excitement for Podcast Movement Evolutions

Lori shares her excitement for attending Podcast Movement Evolutions in LA and meeting up with listeners. She mentions the opportunity to meet Amy Poehler and her previous experience of hearing will Ferrell.

00:43:36 - Meeting Listeners

Lori expresses her eagerness to meet listeners of the podcast at the event and encourages them to come up and say hi. She values connecting with her audience and appreciates their support.

00:43:56 - Gratitude and Encouragement

Lori expresses gratitude to the listeners for taking the time to tune in and emphasizes the importance of self-care. She encourages everyone to keep making a difference in their own way, wherever they are.

00:44:20 - Shoutout to Nijay Gupta

Lori acknowledges Dr. Nijay Gupta and his perspective shared in the conversation, thanking him for his insights and contribution to the episode.

00:44:45 - Closing Remarks

Lori wraps up the episode with a reminder of the value each listener holds and encourages them to continue making a positive impact in the world.

Impactful Theology

Early Christian theology was transformative, marking a stark departure from the ancient Roman religious practices and fostering a culture of empathy and love. The teachings of Jesus, particularly those focused on love and compassion towards one’s enemies, remains relevant even in today's divisive world. Through a careful examination of our attitudes towards others, especially those with differing ideologies, we can more fully embody these teachings, fostering social transformation and bringing about meaningful change.

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Hey, have you ever felt like you're trying to do the right thing in your business, but it just feels like too much? Like you want to merge profit with purpose, but it seems overwhelming. You're not alone. Many leaders struggle with this, and it can lead to burnout and exhaustion. Let's tackle this together and find a way to align your values with your business practices without feeling overwhelmed.

My special guest is Bessi Graham

Today, we are honored to have Bessi Graham as our guest on the show, joining us from Melbourne, Australia. Bessi is a highly respected entrepreneur with over two decades of experience working closely with business owners, government entities, and major funding bodies. Her extensive involvement ranges from grassroots initiatives with business owners in the Pacific Islands to impactful contributions at the United Nations headquarters in Geneva. Bessi's unparalleled perspective and deep understanding of merging profit and purpose have made her a sought-after authority in the realm of ethical and sustainable business practices. Her commitment to guiding individuals in aligning their values with their business endeavors has led to the creation of impactful legacies. With her wealth of experience in ethical and purpose-driven enterprises, Bessi brings invaluable insights to our discussion today.

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Diversity in decision-making

Diversity fuels creativity, fosters a broader perspective, and aids in making more informed decisions. Bessi advocates for diverse perspectives in decision-making processes and leadership roles, believing it leads to a more inclusive and effective work environment. She stresses the value of stepping out of one's comfort zone to gain a deeper understanding of various contexts, making decision-making a shared and holistic process.

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You need to apprentice with the problem. Don't just assume you understand something. Don't think that good intentions are good enough. - Bessi Graham

Authentic leadership values

Leadership, as per Bessi, should echo authentic values. It is important that leaders' actions align with their stated values to build trust, credibility, and influence. Moreover, these values should inform decision-making processes ensuring organisational integrity and fostering a culture of honesty and transparency.

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Bridging Profit and Purpose

00:06:49 - Impact of Living Abroad

00:10:14 - Humanizing Leadership

00:14:06 - Influence of Values

00:15:14 - Meaningful Values

00:16:04 - The Importance of Core Values

00:17:10 - Aligning Values with Action

00:18:11 - Core Values in Organizations

00:19:03 - Decision Cascade and Clarity

00:25:00 - Bridging Systemic and Grassroots Perspectives

00:31:08 - Apprenticing with the Problem

00:36:17 - Balancing Purpose and Profit

00:39:57 - Shaping Decision-Making

00:42:19 - Purpose and Opportunity

00:43:44 - Connecting with Bessie

00:45:55 - Learning from Experience

00:46:32 - Resilience and Self-Leadership

00:47:07 - Taking a Break without Compromising Impact

00:47:45 - Embracing Individuality

We need to hold these two. This goes back to your both and mindset. Right. So as a leader, being able to hold two things that seem contradictory and say they're equally true. - Bessi Graham

Merge profit and purpose

Bessi Graham emphasizes that profitability and purpose are not mutually exclusive. One can create a business model that aligns with personal values, promotes social impact, and ensures financial success. The trick lies in understanding customer value, and in finding ways to create and capture said value while benefiting society.

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00:00:02 - Bridging Profit and Purpose

Bessie discusses the importance of merging money and meaning in business. She emphasizes the need for leaders to uncover their unconscious beliefs about the purpose of business and how it impacts decision-making.

00:06:49 - Impact of Living Abroad

Bessie shares how her experiences living in different countries shaped her perspective as a leader. She highlights the value of diverse perspectives and the importance of intentionally seeking out different viewpoints in leadership.

00:10:14 - Humanizing Leadership

Bessie delves into the concept of humanizing leadership and the need to treat employees as more than just cogs in a wheel. She emphasizes the importance of integrating purpose into business decisions and creating a more holistic approach to leadership.

00:14:06 - Influence of Values

Bessie discusses the influence of values on decision-making as a leader. She emphasizes the need for leaders to understand and articulate their values, and how values drive behavior in business settings.

00:15:14 - Meaningful Values

Bessie explores the deeper meaning of values in business and challenges the superficial approach often taken. She emphasizes the importance of values as a guiding force in decision-making and living authentically as a leader.

00:16:04 - The Importance of Core Values

Bessi discusses the significance of identifying and living by core values. She emphasizes intentionally cultivating conditions that allow individuals to live in alignment with their values, leading to better decision-making and natural best performance.

00:17:10 - Aligning Values with Action

Bessi emphasizes the need for values to inform decision-making and actions. She highlights the importance of having values as filters for decision-making, particularly in fast-paced environments, to maintain integrity and alignment.

00:18:11 - Core Values in Organizations

Bessi stresses the need for clarity in company core values, cautioning against superficial or simplistic lists. She emphasizes the importance of aligning values with behavior and action, not just as aspirational values, to build trust and integrity within the organization.

00:19:03 - Decision Cascade and Clarity

Bessi introduces the concept of the decision cascade as a tool for unlocking clarity and decisiveness, particularly around values. She explains how breaking down decisions into primary, secondary, and tertiary levels can lead to smoother decision-making and prevent costly missteps.

00:25:00 - Bridging Systemic and Grassroots Perspectives

Bessi shares her experiences working at both grassroots and systemic levels, emphasizing the importance of understanding broader systems while still being connected to the ground reality. She highlights the value of expanding perspectives to bridge different worlds and drive innovation in leadership.

00:31:08 - Apprenticing with the Problem

Bessie shares Pamela Hardigan's advice to "apprentice with the problem," emphasizing curiosity, asking questions, and having conversations rather than assuming we know best. She also highlights the importance of holding seemingly contradictory ideas in our minds and working towards a balance.

00:36:17 - Balancing Purpose and Profit

Bessie discusses how many leaders feel overwhelmed by the idea of adding purpose to their business, seeing it as a distraction or expense. She challenges this perspective, encouraging leaders to merge money and meaning by pursuing competitive advantages that add value and relieve pressure.

00:39:57 - Shaping Decision-Making

Bessie emphasizes the importance of shaping decisions and influencing outcomes, even for middle managers. She encourages leaders to create psychologically safe spaces for their teams, shape how directives are shared, and cultivate a culture of unapologetically pursuing both purpose and profit.

00:42:19 - Purpose and Opportunity

Bessie speaks about the belief that money and meaning can be merged, leading to a self-reinforcing loop of delivering and capturing value. She encourages leaders to shift their perspective, innovate in their business models, and create win-win situations that relieve pressure and stress.

00:43:44 - Connecting with Bessie

Lori thanks Bessie for sharing her unique perspective and encourages listeners to visit Bessie's website for more resources and insights. Bessie offers a free download of five essential questions

00:45:55 - Learning from Experience

Lori discusses the value of sharing knowledge and learning from others, highlighting Bessi Graham's extensive experience working at the UN headquarters and in diverse locations like the Pacific islands and Melbourne, Australia.

00:46:32 - Resilience and Self-Leadership

The conversation delves into the importance of resilience and self-leadership, offering insights on how to navigate difficult circumstances and make congruent decisions to alleviate burnout.

00:47:07 - Taking a Break without Compromising Impact

Lori emphasizes the significance of taking breaks and self-care while continuing to make a difference in the world, encouraging listeners to stay true to themselves and bring their unique contributions to the table.

00:47:45 - Embracing Individuality

The episode concludes with a reminder to embrace individuality and show up authentically, highlighting the importance of being true to oneself and making a difference in the world. Lori urges listeners to take care of themselves and continue making an impact.

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Uncover the unexpected impact of the Trump campaign on the evangelical community as NPR journalist Sarah McCammon shares her personal journey. Her book delves into the complex experiences of those navigating a transition away from evangelicalism, offering a raw and empathetic perspective. Join us as we explore the surprising insights and vulnerabilities that shape this compelling narrative. Stay tuned for a revealing conversation that will leave you with a fresh perspective and a newfound appreciation for diverse religious experiences.

My special guest is Sarah McCammon

Sarah McCammon, a national political correspondent for NPR and co-host of the NPR Politics podcast, is recognized for her extensive coverage of political, social, and cultural divisions in America, specifically delving into the intersections of politics and religion, reproductive rights, and the conservative movement. With past experience as NPR's lead political reporter during the 2016 election cycle, assigned to the Donald Trump campaign, she offers a comprehensive understanding of the impact of Trumpism on evangelical communities. Her upcoming book, "The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church," draws from her personal background growing up in white evangelicalism in the Midwest, providing a firsthand perspective on the subject matter. Sarah McCammon's authoritative insights, coupled with her personal experiences, contribute a significant and authentic viewpoint to the discussion.

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Evolving Demographics of American Christianity

The landscape of American Christianity is undergoing a marked transformation, with shifts in demographics and the growing influence of social media. As Sarah emphasizes, these changes may result in a more liberal, secular, and diverse religious demographic. Recognizing and embracing these shifts is crucial for evolving religious spaces and fostering inclusivity and diversity within such communities.

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction to the World of Difference podcast

00:00:44 - Benefits of Therapy and Betterhelp

00:01:17 - Introduction of Sarah McCammon

00:02:27 - Sarah McCammon's Background and Book

00:03:00 - Personal Vulnerability in Writing

00:14:09 - Finding Inner Strength

00:16:34 - Impact of Trump Narrative

00:19:52 - Pressure for Perfectionism

00:23:08 - Understanding Exvangelical

00:27:43 - Impact of Evangelical Movement

00:28:58 - Rise of the Nones and Impact on Politics

00:29:36 - Factors Contributing to Change

00:30:15 - Church Response and Criticism

00:32:24 - Intimate Perspectives and Voices

00:35:22 - Inclusivity and Diverse Perspectives

00:43:25 - The Impact of Gen Z in the Election

00:44:25 - Future of Exvangelical Movement

00:46:08 - Evolving Religious Spaces

00:47:28 - Connecting with Sarah

00:48:23 - Sarah's Writing and Impact

I think it's okay to pray anytime you want. And I don't think you have to know exactly what you think about that. - Sarah McCammon

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction to the World of Difference podcast

Host Lori Adams Brown introduces the podcast as a platform for those who are different and want to make a difference. She also mentions the podcast's sponsor, Betterhelp, and the benefits of therapy for personal growth and self-discovery.

00:00:44 - Benefits of Therapy and Betterhelp

Brown discusses the benefits of therapy for personal growth, self-discovery, and mental well-being. She highlights the role of therapy in understanding oneself and making a positive impact on the world. Lori Adams-Brown also promotes Betterhelp as a resource for professional therapy.

00:01:17 - Introduction of Sarah McCammon

Brown introduces Sarah McCammon as a national political correspondent for NPR and co-host of the NPR Politics podcast. She outlines McCammon's work focusing on political, social, and cultural divides in America, including the intersections of politics and religion, reproductive rights, and the conservative movement.

00:02:27 - Sarah McCammon's Background and Book

Brown discusses McCammon's upcoming book, "The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church," highlighting McCammon's personal experience growing up in white evangelicalism in the Midwest. Brown also mentions McCammon's diverse media appearances and her current residence in Norfolk, Virginia.

00:03:00 - Personal Vulnerability in Writing

Brown and McCammon discuss the personal vulnerability of writing about one's experiences, with McCammon sharing her

00:14:09 - Finding Inner Strength

Sarah shares a spiritual moment of finding inner strength in a challenging situation outside the church. She discusses the evangelical expectation of spiritual moments and the concept of loving one's enemies.

00:16:34 - Impact of Trump Narrative

Sarah discusses how the Trump narrative of labeling reporters as the worst people has affected the perception of evangelical whistleblowers reporting spiritual or sexual abuse in churches. She highlights the importance of criticisms from within the evangelical community.

00:19:52 - Pressure for Perfectionism

Sarah reflects on the intense pressure for perfectionism and behavior management of children within evangelical spiritual formation. She shares her experience of feeling the responsibility to be a witness for Jesus through her family's appearance and behavior.

00:23:08 - Understanding Exvangelical

Sarah explains the term "exvangelical" and addresses misconceptions about the group being exclusively non-religious or secular. She emphasizes the common experience of stepping away from evangelicalism and the complexity of the journey.

00:27:43 - Impact of Evangelical Movement

Sarah discusses the well-established impact of the evangelical movement on American politics and society. She also explores the broader societal and cultural impact of the exvangelical movement, highlighting its role in the larger shift away from religion.

00:28:58 - Rise of the Nones and Impact on Politics

The conversation delves into the growing demographic of the Nones and its potential impact on American politics, as well as the erosion of the Republican base and the rise of a more liberal and secular movement.

00:29:36 - Factors Contributing to Change

Demographic changes, social media, and the impact of Trumpism are discussed as factors contributing to the shift in evangelicalism and Christianity, with implications for both politics and culture.

00:30:15 - Church Response and Criticism

The conversation explores the responses of churches and prominent pastors to the move away from evangelicalism, as well as the criticism from Christian evangelical thinkers and the need for churches to become more open to diverse points of view.

00:32:24 - Intimate Perspectives and Voices

The dialogue emphasizes the value of intimate perspectives and granular insights from individuals raised in the evangelical world, shedding light on experiences and perspectives often overlooked in academic conversations.

00:35:22 - Inclusivity and Diverse Perspectives

The conversation highlights the need for inclusivity and the elevation of voices of people of color and women in evangelical spaces, as well as the potential impact on shaping priorities, theology, and perspectives on scriptures.

00:43:25 - The Impact of Gen Z in the Election

The conversation begins with a focus on Gen Z's influence on the upcoming election and their diverse upbringing in the digital age, reflecting on the changes happening in society.

00:44:25 - Future of Exvangelical Movement

Sarah discusses the challenges faced by younger exvangelicals in forming their own religious identity and the need for more inclusive religious spaces. She also explores potential future trends in an increasingly diverse and secularized society.

00:46:08 - Evolving Religious Spaces

The discussion shifts to the evolution of religious spaces, with a particular focus on churches genuinely welcoming non-traditional beliefs and the need for meaningful connections in an evolving society.

00:47:28 - Connecting with Sarah

Sarah shares her presence on various social media platforms, emphasizing her engagement with Substack for more nuanced conversations and insights into her life as a journalist and a mother.

00:48:23 - Sarah's Writing and Impact

The conversation concludes with a focus on Sarah's impactful writing, her vulnerability in exploring personal narratives, and the importance of amplifying her voice and perspective in the media and journalism industry.

I think there's something like that, particularly in an increasingly diverse and secularized society. I think people are always going to need connection and look for meaning, but where they find it, I think might change a little bit. - Sarah McCammon

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Want to learn the key to supporting survivors of sexual assault and making a real difference in their lives? Rowena Chiu shares her powerful insights and experiences, shedding light on the path to understanding and supporting survivors. Stay tuned to discover how you can be a part of the change and make a positive impact in the lives of survivors.

My special guest is Rowena Chiu

It's an absolute pleasure to introduce Rowena Chiu, an extraordinary survivor and advocate joining us today. Rowena's journey, from being an assistant to Miramax CEO Harvey Weinstein to bravely sharing her experience of sexual assault, is nothing short of inspiring. Her powerful voice has not only contributed to the #MeToo movement but has also sparked crucial conversations about power dynamics and influence in sexual assault cases. With a rich cultural heritage and a global perspective, Rowena brings a unique blend of insight and empathy to the table. Her unwavering commitment to advocating for survivors and fostering change makes her an invaluable voice in our ongoing dialogue about abuse. We're truly privileged to have her with us today.

Rowena Chiu worked as Assistant To Harvey Weinstein in 1998. After leaving the film industry, she has worked in the fields of management consulting (for Accenture in London, McKinsey & Company in Silicon Valley, and PricewaterhouseCoopers in Hong Kong) and international development (for the World Bank in Ethiopia, South Sudan & Washington DC). Rowena holds an MA in English Language & Literature from the University of Oxford, an MSc in International Management For China from the University of London, and an MBA from London Business School. She lives in Silicon Valley with her husband and four young children and is currently working on a memoir and a screenplay about her experiences in the film industry.

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Address with cultural sensitivity

Understanding cultural nuances can deeply impact how we approach conversations about sexual assault. For instance, in cultures that value collectivism like Rowena Chiu's Chinese background, the individualistic approach often adopted in the West of isolated support may not be as effective. Instead, broader family and social context need to be taken into account, which demands a healthy dose of cultural sensitivity when providing support or addressing potential impediments to speaking out.

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction and Therapy Benefits

00:01:00 - Sponsor Promotion and Trigger Warning

00:03:00 - Guest Introduction and Cultural Background

00:07:49 - Impact of Sexual Assault on Community and Family

00:11:18 - Rowena's Story: Assault, NDA, and 20 Years of Silence

00:14:15 - The Trauma of Speaking Out Publicly

00:15:10 - The Importance of Speaking Out

00:16:32 - Impact of Sharing Personal Story

00:19:34 - MeToo Movement's Impact on Workplace Conversation

00:24:43 - Centering Survivor Stories

00:28:24 - Women's identification with survivors

00:29:42 - Survivor representation in media

00:30:36 - Bringing generational change

00:33:01 - Speaking out against powerful figures

00:38:20 - Myths about survivor success

00:43:20 - The Neat Bow in Allyship

00:45:02 - Finding Rowena

00:46:43 - Sharing Your Story

00:48:16 - Finding Healing

00:49:40 - Supporting Rowena

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction and Therapy Benefits

Lori introduces the podcast and its sponsor, Betterhelp, emphasizing the benefits of therapy for personal growth and self-understanding, not just crisis intervention.

00:01:00 - Sponsor Promotion and Trigger Warning

Lori promotes the sponsor, Betterhelp, offering a discount for first-time users. She also provides a trigger warning for sensitive topics related to abuse and sexual assault.

00:03:00 - Guest Introduction and Cultural Background

Lori introduces the guest, Rowena Chiu, an abuse survivor and advocate. Rowena shares her cultural background as a British-born Chinese and discusses the significance of Lunar New Year and the challenges faced by abuse survivors in communal cultures.

00:07:49 - Impact of Sexual Assault on Community and Family

Rowena discusses the collective impact of sexual assault on survivors and their communities, emphasizing the communal nature of Chinese culture and the importance of addressing the broader impact on families and communities.

00:11:18 - Rowena's Story: Assault, NDA, and 20 Years of Silence

Rowena shares her personal experience of being sexually assaulted by Harvey Weinstein, reporting the assault, signing a nondisclosure agreement (NDA), and being silenced for 20 years. She highlights the complex reasons for her delayed decision to speak out publicly.

00:14:15 - The Trauma of Speaking Out Publicly

Rowena discusses the distinction between private and public trauma when speaking about a difficult experience on a wide platform, such as a TV show, compared to sharing with close friends and family.

00:15:10 - The Importance of Speaking Out

Rowena emphasizes the difficulty of speaking out, but also stresses the importance of doing so, particularly for those who have not yet shared their experiences with trusted individuals.

00:16:32 - Impact of Sharing Personal Story

Rowena reflects on the personal and professional impact of sharing her story, drawing inspiration from Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and highlighting the strength derived from fellow survivors.

00:19:34 - MeToo Movement's Impact on Workplace Conversation

Rowena discusses the MeToo movement's role in exposing power dynamics and inequalities in the workplace, emphasizing the need for societal change and true equity.

00:24:43 - Centering Survivor Stories

Rowena addresses the media's tendency to center the perpetrator in narratives, expressing the challenges in getting survivor stories featured and the need for a more survivor-centric approach in media and society.

00:28:24 - Women's identification with survivors

Rowena discusses the difficulty for women to identify with sexual assault survivors like Laura Madden, Rowena Chu, and Zelda Perkins, compared to high-profile figures like Jodie Cantor and Megan Tui. She highlights societal treatment and media depiction of survivors.

00:29:42 - Survivor representation in media

Rowena critiques the two-dimensional portrayal of survivors in media, emphasizing the need for a more comprehensive depiction. She points out the survivor-centric nature of "she said" but notes the focus on journalists rather than survivors.

00:30:36 - Bringing generational change

Rowena expresses the need for generational change in societal attitudes towards survivors. She acknowledges the difficulty of having conversations about sexual assault and the discomfort survivors bring, emphasizing the importance of creating a better world for future generations.

00:33:01 - Speaking out against powerful figures

Rowena addresses the challenges of speaking out against powerful individuals, such as pastors or influential figures in the entertainment industry. She encourages finding allies and emphasizes the impact of one's voice in inspiring others.

00:38:20 - Myths about survivor success

Rowena discusses common myths about survivor success, highlighting the importance of acknowledging and sitting with survivors' grief. She challenges the notion that personal success in career or family can compensate for the trauma experienced.

00:43:20 - The Neat Bow in Allyship

Rowena emphasizes that anyone can be an ally of the MeToo movement, and shares that sitting with a survivor, hearing their story, and acknowledging their grief is the most impactful way to support them.

00:45:02 - Finding Rowena

Rowena shares where people can find her on social media platforms, talks about her upcoming book, and discusses her speaking engagements in various settings to open up a dialogue about sexual assault and survivorship.

00:46:43 - Sharing Your Story

Lori acknowledges the difficulty of sharing abuse stories and offers love and support to listeners who may have been inspired by Rowena's journey of speaking out after years of silence.

00:48:16 - Finding Healing

Lori reassures listeners that they are not alone, encourages them to seek healing, and highlights the importance of sitting with survivors and supporting them through their journey of healing.

00:49:40 - Supporting Rowena

Lori urges listeners to support Rowena in her advocacy work, shares information about exclusive content on Patreon, and emphasizes the impact of being a part of the support network for survivors like Rowena.

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