A World of Difference

Join me in this thrilling episode of the A World of Difference podcast as I share my unforgettable experience of taking a birthday trip to Rio de Janeiro with my teenager. From attending a Taylor Swift concert to unexpected twists, this journey will leave you hanging on the edge of your seat, wondering how it all unfolds. Get ready for a rollercoaster ride of emotions, because sometimes, even the best-laid plans can take an unexpected turn.

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Engage your teen in trip planning

Making your teenager a part of the trip planning process not only sparks their enthusiasm but also caters to their specific interests, enhancing their overall experience. With their involvement, mutual interests are considered, resulting in a journey that strikes a balance between their preferences and yours. This tactic promotes valuable life skills like decision-making and financial responsibility, setting them up for future success.

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Finding a win-win destination that caters to both your teenager's preferences and your own is key to a successful birthday trip. - Lori Adams-Brown

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction

Lori Adams Brown introduces the podcast episode and explains that she will be discussing her recent trip to Rio de Janeiro with her teenager for their 16th birthday.

00:01:07 - Tip #1: Involve Your Teenager

Lori emphasizes the importance of involving the teenager in the trip planning process to increase excitement and ensure the trip aligns with their interests.

00:03:08 - Tip #2: Consider Destinations for Both

Lori advises considering destinations that cater to both the teenager's preferences and the parent's interests to create a win-win situation. She also emphasizes the importance of balancing fun activities for the teenager with relaxation for both parties.

00:03:53 - Tip #3: Budgeting and Planning

Lori discusses the importance of budgeting and planning for the trip, involving the teenager in financial decision-making, and teaching them financial responsibility. She mentions that travel is a priority for her family and shares her frugal travel tips.

00:07:06 - Tip #4: Balancing Independence and Guidance

Lori highlights the need to find a balance between giving the teenager independence and providing guidance, especially considering their developing frontal lobes. She suggests treating the trip as a "stretch assignment" for the teenager, giving them more freedom but still offering guidance.

00:13:26 - Experiencing Brazil and Taylor Swift Concert

The host shares her experience of traveling to Brazil with her teenagers, trying new foods, and attending a Taylor Swift concert. She mentions the heat wave in Rio, where some people passed out and one person passed away. The concert was initially canceled but was able to proceed on the following night with improved conditions.

00:14:46 - Special Moments at the Concert

The host's teenager received a friendship bracelet from Sabrina Carpenter's mom and a Taylor Swift guitar pick from Taylor Swift's dad at the concert. The host expresses how special it was to experience such moments with her teenagers and overhear them sharing the experience with their friends.

00:15:19 - Planning the Trip to Rio

The host offers to share more details about how she planned the trip, including using points for flights and choosing a hotel in Rio. She mentions the various beach options, such as Copacabana and Ipanema, and the activities they decided to do while in Rio.

00:16:04 - Birthday Trips and Collecting Memories

The host shares that she often asks for a trip for her birthday instead of material gifts, as she values collecting memories and experiences. She encourages listeners to share their own stories and tips for traveling with teenagers, especially for birthday trips.

00:17:35 - Seasonal Celebrations and Self-Care

The host acknowledges the various celebrations happening during the holiday season and encourages listeners to enjoy time with loved ones while

Balancing independence and guidance during the trip creates a valuable opportunity for growth and strengthening the parent-teenager relationship. - Lori Adams-Brown

Discover the magic of Rio

Rio de Janeiro offers a myriad of opportunities for an unforgettable experience, bestowing unforgettable memories and diverse cultural insights. This vibrant Brazilian city enamors visitors with its breathtaking landscapes, diverse culinary scene, and warm local population. Unveiling the magic of Rio during an international birthday trip with a teenager can solidify familial bonds and provide a valuable exposure to a vibrant global culture.

Engage your teen in trip planning

Making your teenager a part of the trip planning process not only sparks their enthusiasm but also caters to their specific interests, enhancing their overall experience. With their involvement, mutual interests are considered, resulting in a journey that strikes a balance between their preferences and yours. This tactic promotes valuable life skills like decision-making and financial responsibility, setting them up for future success.

Strike the perfect balance

Finding the right equilibrium between providing guidance and granting independence to your teenager on a trip can be challenging, yet deeply rewarding. This delicate balance allows them to explore, make decisions, and learn while knowing that your support is readily available. Travel experiences like these can serve as a 'stretch assignment,' allowing your teenager to broaden their horizon while still under the safety net of your presence.

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In a world where silence shrouds the darkness, one woman's journey emerges from the depths of despair. Lydia Matioli's story is a haunting reminder that evil can lurk where we least expect it. From the hands of a trusted pastor to the horrors witnessed by her best friend, Lydia's path is marked by heartbreak and resilience. But as she embarks on a mission to end the cycle of sexual violence, a twist awaits, a twist that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew.

My special guest is Lydia Matioli

Lydia Matioli is a highly accomplished professional in the field of sexual violence prevention and awareness. With a Bachelor of Arts in Gender, Women, and Development Studies and over eight years of experience in program design and community outreach, Lydia has established herself as a knowledgeable and respected figure in the industry. As the Programs and Partnerships Director at Freely and Hope, a nonprofit organization dedicated to ending the cycle of sexual violence in Kenya and Zambia, Lydia plays a pivotal role in designing and implementing effective programs and initiatives. Her work focuses on creating sustainable solutions and empowering abuse survivors and advocates to become leaders in their communities. Notably, Lydia recently released a children's book titled "Pendo's Power," which aims to educate children on recognizing and reporting sexual abuse. With her extensive expertise and commitment to making a difference, Lydia is a valuable guest on the A World of Difference podcast, offering invaluable insights and strategies for increasing awareness and prevention of sexual violence.

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Healing and Support Options

The journey towards healing following sexual abuse is a tortuous path that necessitates ample support, understanding, and patience. Lydia stresses the importance of survivors being part of support groups like Freely in Hope and having access to referral services. Turning trauma into advocacy, sharing one's story, and challenging unacceptable stigmas are all vital elements of a holistic healing process.

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You do not have the right to have sex with a woman. A woman is a human being just like you, with the same rights, just like you. - Lydia Matioli

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction

00:01:13 - Lydia's Work and Book

00:02:29 - Trigger Warning and Sponsor

00:04:33 - Introduction to Lydia Matioli

00:09:08 - Impact of Sexual Violence

00:18:21 - The Influence of Generational Beliefs on Sexual Violence

00:20:20 - Impact on Faith Communities

00:24:17 - Writing "Pendo's Power" to Address Child Sexual Abuse

00:30:31 - Empowering Children in the Face of Abuse

00:36:31 - The Impact of Healing and Advocacy

00:37:35 - The Complexity of Healing

00:39:45 - Best Practices for Healing

00:41:18 - The Power of Storytelling

00:53:54 - Join the World of Difference Community on Patreon

00:54:31 - Make a Difference by Sharing the Podcast

00:54:55 - Help Others Find the Podcast through Reviews

00:54:55 - Take Care of Yourself

00:54:55 - Keep Making a Difference

No one was holding anyone accountable. No one was talking about it. No one was asking the survivors, what's happening with you? - Lydia Matioli

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction

Host Lori Adams-Brown introduces the podcast and her guest, Lydia Matioli. She highlights Lydia's passion for building platforms for abuse survivors and advocates and discusses Lydia's background growing up in Kibera, Africa's largest slum.

00:01:13 - Lydia's Work and Book

Lori discusses Lydia's work as the Programs and Partnerships Director at Freely and Hope, where she designs and implements programs to address sexual violence. They also talk about Lydia's recently released book, "Pendo's Power," which helps children recognize and report sexual abuse.

00:02:29 - Trigger Warning and Sponsor

Lori gives a trigger warning for the sensitive topic of sexual abuse and introduces the podcast sponsor, BetterHelp, a resource for therapy and counseling. She shares her personal experience with therapy and encourages listeners to seek help if needed.

00:04:33 - Introduction to Lydia Matioli

Lori welcomes Lydia and asks her to share more about her background. Lydia shares that she is a mother, leads programs at Freely and Hope, and grew up in Kibera. She opens up about her personal experiences with sexual abuse and the culture of silence in her community.

00:09:08 - Impact of Sexual Violence

Lydia recounts the story of her best friend who was gang-raped in Kibera and the lack of support and resources available to survivors. She explains how this experience inspired her to start having conversations about sexual violence and led to her advocacy work

00:18:21 - The Influence of Generational Beliefs on Sexual Violence

The guest discusses how the belief systems of previous generations have contributed to the prevalence of sexual violence. Both men and women have been conditioned to believe in retrogressive beliefs, perpetuating a cycle of abuse. The guest emphasizes the need to shift this mindset and promote respect and equality between genders.

00:20:20 - Impact on Faith Communities

The guest shares her personal struggle with faith communities due to her experiences with abuse. Many perpetrators are faith leaders, which has affected her trust and connection with God through the community. She acknowledges the need to find her own ways of practicing her faith and emphasizes the importance of caring for oneself and protecting against further harm.

00:24:17 - Writing "Pendo's Power" to Address Child Sexual Abuse

The guest explains that her experiences as a survivor and as a mother inspired her to write the book "Pendo's Power." The book aims to help children recognize and report sexual abuse by teaching them about body boundaries, consent, and the power of their voice. The guest shares positive feedback and the impact the book is having on children and parents.

00:30:31 - Empowering Children in the Face of Abuse

The conversation highlights the power dynamics between adults and children that often result in the silencing of children's voices. The guest discusses how the book "Pendo's Power" empowers children by validating their experiences and teaching them that their voice matters. The book helps children understand that they have the power to speak up and be

00:36:31 - The Impact of Healing and Advocacy

The guest expresses the importance of giving freedom to survivors of abuse and allowing them to share their stories. They discuss the impact of abuse on mothers and the opportunity for healing and advocacy when their own children reach the age they were when the abuse occurred. They also highlight the need for advocacy within faith communities to protect children.

00:37:35 - The Complexity of Healing

The conversation explores the complexity of healing from sexual violence, particularly when the abusers are often considered "do-gooders" in society. They discuss the difficulty survivors face in being believed due to the perception of their abusers as trustworthy individuals. The guest emphasizes the need for survivors to be part of a supportive community and to access support services.

00:39:45 - Best Practices for Healing

The guest recommends being part of a community of survivors as a key practice for healing. They mention the importance of support groups for survivors and the creation of communities where individuals can share their stories and reclaim lost parts of themselves. Additionally, they emphasize the importance of accessing support services and provide resources for survivors.

00:41:18 - The Power of Storytelling

The conversation highlights the power of storytelling in the healing process. They discuss the need for survivors to have their stories heard, believed, and empathized with. They emphasize the role of Safe communities in providing support and healing. Storytelling is acknowledged as a key element in processing trauma.

00:53:54 - Join the World of Difference Community on Patreon

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00:54:31 - Make a Difference by Sharing the Podcast

Share the podcast with someone who could benefit from the conversation. This is one way to make a difference and help others.

00:54:55 - Help Others Find the Podcast through Reviews

Leave a review for the podcast on your preferred platform. This helps others discover the podcast and engage in important conversations.

00:54:55 - Take Care of Yourself

With a lot going on in the world, remember to prioritize self-care. No matter where you are, your actions can make a difference.

00:54:55 - Keep Making a Difference

Despite the challenges, keep striving to make a positive impact in the world. Your efforts matter.

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Cordell Carter, II, the visionary advocate, ignites a revolution of inclusion as he rallies leaders to create a professional learning community, challenging the status quo and dismantling barriers in the pursuit of a fair and just society.

In a world where lawyers and pastors were seen as the pinnacle of service, Cordell Carter had a different calling. His journey on the podcast A World of Difference uncovers the unexpected twist that led him to embrace a secular path of service. Inspired by his family's tradition of kindness and acceptance, Cordell realized that even small acts of compassion could create profound change. Now, as a commissioner for the President Commission on the White House Fellowship, Cordell witnesses firsthand the transformative power of belief and support. Tune in to discover the surprising twist that changed Cordell's life and learn how you too can create lasting change through inclusivity.

My special guest is Cordell Carter, II

Cordell Carter is our insightful guest on today's episode of A World of Difference. With an impressive background in leadership and a passion for creating inclusive organizations, Cordell brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the table. As the executive director of the Aspen Institute Socrates Program and the founding director of the Aspen Institute's Project on Belonging, Cordell has worked tirelessly to shift the national conversation on racial equity and inclusion. He has curated numerous off-the-record leadership seminars around the world, reaching thousands of leaders each year. Cordell's work extends beyond borders, as he founded the Festival of the Diaspora in Medellin, Colombia. Join us as we delve into his journey, his insights, and how we can all make a difference together. Get ready to be inspired by Cordell Carter's incredible work in building inclusive organizations and fostering a sense of belonging.

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Fostering a Sense of Belonging and Unity

The journey toward diversity and inclusion starts with acknowledging and respecting every individual's desire for acceptance. Cordell believes that creating a sense of belonging within an organization can lead to better outcomes and a more united team. By shifting the focus from mere compliance to the deeper concept of belonging, leaders have the chance of setting up a thriving business that resonates with all its constituents, promoting unity and inclusivity.

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As leaders, it is our fiduciary duty to invest in diversity and inclusion. We need to think about the future and what our customers will look like 35 years down the road. That's where the puck is heading, and that's where we should invest now. - Cordell Carter

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction

00:02:47 - Childhood Dreams

00:05:27 - Separating the Sacred and Secular

00:07:10 - Making a Difference

00:10:14 - Women and Belonging

00:16:16 - Companies' Legal Analysis and Customer Engagement

00:16:52 - The Influence of Women in the Economy

00:17:46 - Collaboration for Positive Change

00:19:00 - Promoting Diversity in Panels and Events

00:21:08 - Economic Development and Women Empowerment

00:22:29 - Challenges in Access to Venture Capital for Women

00:26:51 - Working Towards Belonging and Thriving

00:31:21 - The Development of Singapore

00:32:31 - Building Harmony in Singapore

00:33:33 - Contrasting Singapore with the United States

00:34:47 - The Evolution of the United States

00:39:38 - The Importance of Belonging

00:47:18 - Introduction to Betterhelp

00:47:57 - Reminder to Prioritize Self-care

00:48:35 - Conclusion and Farewell

Creating inclusive organizations requires more work, but it's good work. It forces us to move beyond our comfort levels and embrace diversity. And in the end, it becomes easier to find diverse groups of collaborators because they bring something new to the table. - Cordell Carter

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction

Cordell Carter is the executive director of the Aspen Institute Socrates Program and the founding director of the Aspen Institute's Project on Belonging. He has held various leadership roles and is dedicated to serving humanity.

00:02:47 - Childhood Dreams

As a child, Cordell aspired to become a lawyer or a pastor. While he didn't pursue a career in ministry, he still feels a calling to serve humanity in a secular way.

00:05:27 - Separating the Sacred and Secular

Cordell believes that caring for humanity shouldn't be limited to religious contexts. He finds joy in seeing others recognize their own potential and helping them believe in themselves.

00:07:10 - Making a Difference

Cordell shares a powerful story about the Festival of the Diaspora in Colombia, where five women entrepreneurs experienced a sense of belonging for the first time in their lives. Through the festival, they received support and funding, leading to the establishment of an independent nonprofit.

00:10:14 - Women and Belonging

Cordell focuses on creating a sense of belonging for women, especially those facing inequalities such as the wage gap and lack of funding. He aims to address these issues through his work and empower women to reach their full potential.

00:16:16 - Companies' Legal Analysis and Customer Engagement

Companies dispute the accuracy of legal analysis and prioritize customer engagement to fulfill fiduciary duty.

00:16:52 - The Influence of Women in the Economy

Examples of successful women in the music and film industry highlight the economic impact of centering experiences of other people.

00:17:46 - Collaboration for Positive Change

Nonprofits, government, and tech companies have the opportunity to come together and make a difference, despite differing opinions.

00:19:00 - Promoting Diversity in Panels and Events

Efforts to include diverse individuals as moderators and participants require extra work but lead to a more inclusive and impactful outcome.

00:21:08 - Economic Development and Women Empowerment

Investing in women's economic development can have a significant impact on communities, and initiatives like pitch competitions support female entrepreneurs.

00:22:29 - Challenges in Access to Venture Capital for Women

The lack of access to venture capital for women creates obstacles, and efforts to shift the conversation on racial equity and inclusion focus on connecting these efforts to the bottom line.

00:26:51 - Working Towards Belonging and Thriving

The goal is to create a society where everyone belongs and has equitable opportunities to thrive, and efforts should focus on defining a destination and celebrating progress towards it.

00:31:21 - The Development of Singapore

Singapore's transformation from a small island with limited infrastructure in 1965 to a developed and prosperous nation with excellent healthcare and education is remarkable. National service played a crucial role in building a sense of unity among Singaporeans, fostering lifelong friendships, and protecting the country from potential threats.

00:32:31 - Building Harmony in Singapore

Singapore's government focused on fostering harmony and unity among its diverse population. National service brought together individuals from different ethnic and religious backgrounds, creating bonds and friendships that lasted beyond their service. The government's emphasis on harmony and social cohesion has helped create a safe and cohesive society.

00:33:33 - Contrasting Singapore with the United States

Contrasting Singapore's approach to national unity with the United States, it becomes apparent that Singapore prioritized inclusivity and harmony, while the United States has a more complex history of exclusion and division. The National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis serves as a reminder of the ongoing work needed to achieve equality and inclusivity in the United States.

00:34:47 - The Evolution of the United States

The United States has evolved over time, from its founding documents like the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution. While no nation is perfect, it is essential to recognize the progress made and strive for a more inclusive future. Inclusive leaders should avoid excluding any group, including middle-aged white men, and focus on data-driven approaches to change.

00:39:38 - The Importance of Belonging

00:47:18 - Introduction to Betterhelp

The host introduces Betterhelp as the sponsor of the podcast and shares her personal experience with therapy through Betterhelp. She mentions the various resources offered by Betterhelp, including one-on-one therapy, group therapy, and classes for specific issues.

00:47:57 - Reminder to Prioritize Self-care

The host thanks all the listeners for making a difference in the world and reminds them to prioritize self-care. She encourages them to take care of their bodies, get rest, and find happiness and joy in their lives.

00:48:35 - Conclusion and Farewell

The host wraps up the podcast episode by reminding listeners to continue making a difference wherever they are. She says goodbye and signs off.

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Does this sound familiar? Have you been told that in order to advance in your tech leadership career, you need to simply work harder and prove yourself? But despite your efforts, you still feel like you're hitting a glass ceiling, struggling to break through and achieve the success you deserve. If this resonates with you, it's time to break free from the ineffective action of solely relying on hard work and discover the strategies and insights that will truly propel your career forward. Stop the frustration and unlock the keys to success as a woman in tech leadership.

My special guest is Limor Bergman Gross

Limor Bergman Gross is a highly accomplished professional in the tech industry, boasting over 20 years of experience as an engineer, manager, and director of engineering and Tech IT. Throughout her career, she has worked in both Israel and the United States, gaining valuable insights into the tech landscapes of both countries. In addition to her technical expertise, Limor has developed a deep passion for mentoring and supporting women in tech. Over the past five years, she has dedicated her time and expertise to empowering women and helping them navigate their careers in the male-dominated tech industry. With her extensive background in tech leadership and her own experiences as a working mom, Limor brings a unique perspective to her mentoring and coaching approach. Her mission is clear: to help more women break through barriers and reach top leadership positions in the tech world. Limor Bergman Gross is a true advocate for women in tech leadership, offering valuable guidance and support to help them achieve their professional goals.

In this episode, you will be able to:

Mastering tech leadership as a woman involves overcoming internal and external obstacles. Internal challenges can be self-doubt and lack of confidence, while externally, women may face biases and stereotypes. It's crucial for women to envision themselves in leadership roles, believe in their unique abilities, and strive for resilience.

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The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:00 - Introduction

00:02:31 - Lemore's Career Journey

00:07:31 - Overcoming Bias and Challenges

00:11:00 - Balancing Family and Career

00:11:25 - Obstacles to Women in the C-suite

00:16:15 - Job Search Strategy

00:17:41 - Maintaining a Positive Mindset

00:18:55 - Navigating Job Loss

00:21:07 - Importance of Remote Work for Women

00:25:39 - Building Relationships with Remote Global Teams

00:28:01 - Delegating Effectively

00:32:25 - Stepping Out of Your Comfort Zone

00:34:09 - Having Difficult Conversations

00:37:59 - The Importance of Listening

00:39:40 - The Power of Role Models

00:42:45 - Living in Israel

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:00 - Introduction

The host introduces the guest, Limor Bergman Gross, who has spent over 20 years working in tech and is now dedicated to mentoring women in the industry and helping them reach the C-suite.

00:02:31 - Lemore's Career Journey

Limor talks about her career journey as a software engineer, her move to the US, and her decision to focus on mentoring and supporting women in tech.

00:07:31 - Overcoming Bias and Challenges

Limor discusses the performance bias and stereotypes she faced as a woman in tech, both in Israel and the US. She emphasizes the importance of rising above biases and making choices that empower oneself.

00:11:00 - Balancing Family and Career

Limor shares her experience of navigating the challenges of expanding her family while pursuing her career. She highlights the need for women to consider the impact of family decisions on their career progression.

00:11:25 - Obstacles to Women in the C-suite

Limor identifies internal obstacles, such as self-doubt and lack of role models, as well as external obstacles, such as biases in the workplace, that prevent women from reaching the C-suite. She emphasizes the importance of building confidence and creating a sense of belonging.

00:16:15 - Job Search Strategy

Look at job descriptions to understand what employers are looking for and highlight your skills that align with their needs. Invest in building your LinkedIn profile and network for long-term success.

00:17:41 - Maintaining a Positive Mindset

Even during difficult times, there are always opportunities out there. Adopt a mindset of abundance and surround yourself with supportive people. Volunteering and mentoring can boost confidence and help identify valuable skills.

00:18:55 - Navigating Job Loss

Losing a job can be a grief process, but it's important to remember that it's okay to grieve. Surround yourself with supportive people and avoid negative influences. Volunteering and mentoring can build confidence and provide opportunities for networking.

00:21:07 - Importance of Remote Work for Women

Remote work is essential for women who often juggle unpaid labor at home. Companies should focus on improving the onboarding process for remote employees, being deliberate in setting expectations, and ensuring regular check-ins to build trust and relationships.

00:25:39 - Building Relationships with Remote Global Teams

Understanding cultural differences is key when working with remote teams from different cultures. Be curious and ask questions to understand their motivations, work preferences, and goals. Building trust requires open communication and avoiding assumptions.

00:28:01 - Delegating Effectively

Delegating is an acquired skill. Assess the impact of your tasks and delegate those that can be

00:32:25 - Stepping Out of Your Comfort Zone

Conferences and events can be challenging for introverts, but it's important to push yourself to attend and network. Find topics you feel comfortable discussing and look for opportunities to collaborate with others who share your passions.

00:34:09 - Having Difficult Conversations

When faced with performance issues in your team, stick to facts and avoid being emotional or opinionated. Start by sharing observations and then give the other person space to respond. Be open-minded and work together to set clear expectations and find solutions.

00:37:59 - The Importance of Listening

Good leadership involves deep listening, where you listen to understand rather than just hearing. Using data and observations, have a dialogue with your team member to understand their perspective and find solutions together.

00:39:40 - The Power of Role Models

Having role models who embody the qualities you admire can inspire and motivate you to become a better leader. It's especially important for women to see female role models in leadership positions to break the glass ceiling.

00:42:45 - Living in Israel

Leymore shares her perspective on living in Israel during times of conflict and offers insights on how we can be helpful. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the situation and being compassionate towards those affected by the conflict.

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In a world where women's voices are marginalized, join Liz Cooledge Jenkins as she challenges patriarchal structures in evangelicalism and empowers women to reclaim their humanity. But will she be able to make a difference in a system resistant to change? Discover the shocking truth in this gripping journey of faith and advocacy.

My special guest is Liz Cooledge Jenkins

Liz Cooledge Jenkins is not your typical preacher and writer. With a BS in Symbolic Systems from Stanford and a Master of Divinity, Liz brings a unique blend of intellect and spirituality to her work. She is passionate about challenging patriarchal norms within evangelicalism and advocating for gender equality in religious communities. Through her writing, Liz fearlessly delves into the complex issues surrounding women's rights and roles in the church. Her book, "Nice Churchy Patriarchy: Reclaiming Women's Humanity from Evangelicalism," is a powerful exploration of her own journey and experiences within the evangelical world. With a mix of personal narrative and insightful analysis, Liz offers a fresh perspective on how we can create faith communities that are inclusive, just, and life-giving for everyone. Prepare to be inspired and empowered as Liz Cooledge Jenkins invites you to join her in reclaiming women's humanity and transforming the religious landscape.

Even if progress has been made, there's still work to do. We deserve full equality and we won't settle for anything less. - Liz Cooledge Jenkins

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Amplifying Women's Voices

The importance of amplifying women's voices is a primary factor in challenging and shifting age-old patriarchal structures, particularly within evangelical contexts. Women's experiences, insights, and perspectives can bring a fresh understanding and significant contributions to religious and societal discourses. Actively seeking and valuing women's voices is a crucial step toward attaining gender equality and smashing restrictive norms.

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

Read Liz Cooledge Jenkins' writings on Patheos at Always Reforming and on her personal blog at lizcooledgejenkins.com

Follow Liz Cooledge Jenkins on Feminism and Religion for her regular contributions. She has a Substack newsletter at: Growing Into Kinship: https://growingintokinship.substack.com/

When good people do nothing, that's when evil thrives.

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction and Sponsorship

00:02:00 - Introduction of Liz Cooledge Jenkins

00:05:06 - Writing Style and Personal Narrative

00:07:48 - Dave's Comment on Women in Ministry

00:10:49 - Reflection on College Experience

00:15:20 - Neutrality and its Impact on Women in the Church

00:16:40 - The Threat of Speaking Up

00:18:22 - Marginalizing Voices of Change

00:19:59 - The Importance of Advocacy

00:21:54 - The Impact of the Barbie Movie on Gender Equality

00:30:47 - Rethinking Leadership and Gender

00:33:23 - Navigating Challenges in Evangelical Spaces

00:36:25 - Dealing with Silencing and Marginalization

00:37:58 - Reflecting on Experiences and Finding Empowerment

00:41:24 - Calls to Action for Male Pastors

00:47:14 - The Importance of Women's Perspectives

00:47:57 - Liz's Experience in Seminary

00:48:47 - Book Recommendation: "Nice. Churchy Patriarchy"

00:49:11 - Difference Maker Community and Deeper Conversations

00:49:50 - Self-Care and Taking a Break

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction and Sponsorship

Lori introduces the podcast and the sponsor, BetterHelp.com, which offers therapy services. She shares her positive experience with therapy and encourages listeners to take advantage of the 10% off offer.

00:02:00 - Introduction of Liz Cooledge Jenkins

Lori introduces Liz Cooledge Jenkins as a writer, preacher, and former college campus minister. She mentions Liz's educational background and her writing contributions to various publications. Lori also mentions Liz's new book, "Nice Churchy Patriarchy."

00:05:06 - Writing Style and Personal Narrative

Lori discusses how Liz chose to incorporate personal narratives into her book and why she believes stories are powerful. They also touch on the challenge of making academic writing accessible to a broader audience.

00:07:48 - Dave's Comment on Women in Ministry

Liz shares an experience from her college years when a church member named Dave made a patronizing comment about women in ministry. She reflects on how it made her feel and the importance of women defining what is best for themselves.

00:10:49 - Reflection on College Experience

Lori asks Liz how she felt during that jarring experience as a college student and what she would say to her younger self. Liz expresses her shock and the lack of words to respond at the time, but affirms that her feelings were valid.

00:15:20 - Neutrality and its Impact on Women in the Church

The discussion begins with the question of neutrality and its implications. The guest shares her experience in a patriarchal church and how it made it difficult for any change to occur. Speaking up for gender equality was often seen as causing trouble.

00:16:40 - The Threat of Speaking Up

The conversation delves into the fear that speaking up against the system poses for those in power. Drawing parallels to the Civil Rights Movement, the guest emphasizes the importance of raising questions and advocating for change, even if it disrupts the status quo.

00:18:22 - Marginalizing Voices of Change

The guest recounts the experience of a woman in her church who faced labeling and marginalization for pushing for gender equality. Many voices that advocate for change are squashed and silenced. It highlights the significance of those who can speak out about their experiences.

00:19:59 - The Importance of Advocacy

The conversation addresses the misconception that women should be content with their relatively better situation compared to others. The guest emphasizes the need for equality and justice, and how it is essential to dream and work towards a better world for women.

00:21:54 - The Impact of the Barbie Movie on Gender Equality

The guest reflects on the Barbie movie and its impact on addressing patriarchy directly. The powerful speech by America Ferrera's character resonated with many, highlighting the impossible expectations and the need for women to be empowered to be their

00:30:47 - Rethinking Leadership and Gender

The conversation explores the socialization of women and the need to redefine what a leader looks like in terms of gender and style. It emphasizes the importance of considering women's ambitions and assertiveness positively and reexamining assumptions about leadership and gender roles.

00:33:23 - Navigating Challenges in Evangelical Spaces

The discussion delves into the challenges faced by women in evangelical spaces and the difficulty of speaking up for equality. It suggests embracing agency, having conversations about experiences, and being open to the possibility of leaving if necessary to find spaces where women's gifts are valued.

00:36:25 - Dealing with Silencing and Marginalization

The conversation acknowledges the silencing and marginalization experienced by women who advocate for equality. It encourages women to find communities that take them seriously and honor their value. It reassures them that leaving an unsupportive environment is not walking away from faith and that God is present in the journey of change.

00:37:58 - Reflecting on Experiences and Finding Empowerment

Reflection on difficult experiences, even when women are aware that others have it worse, is deemed important. It highlights the value of processing and not being afraid to take seriously the things that feel wrong. Exploring resources from different thinkers and finding empowering expressions of faith is also recommended.

00:41:24 - Calls to Action for Male Pastors

Male pastors are urged to seek feedback from women in their congregations and

00:47:14 - The Importance of Women's Perspectives

The speaker acknowledges that exposure to new communities can sometimes stifle curiosity, especially in faith communities. She highlights the importance of women's perspectives, even those that contradict dominant viewpoints, in order to create a more equitable and wonderful world.

00:47:57 - Liz's Experience in Seminary

The speaker mentions Liz's book and her journey of trying to find her voice as a woman in seminary classes that were not always supportive. She emphasizes the need for women's opinions in churches, classrooms, and society at large.

00:48:47 - Book Recommendation: "Nice. Churchy Patriarchy"

The speaker recommends Liz's book, "Nice. Churchy Patriarchy: Reclaiming Women's Humanity from Evangelicalism," and encourages listeners to read it for themselves. The book delves into issues of patriarchy and the importance of women's perspectives.

00:49:11 - Difference Maker Community and Deeper Conversations

The speaker invites listeners to join the Difference Maker community and announces that Liz will be a part of exclusive conversations there. The community offers additional content and a platform for deeper discussions on the topics addressed in the podcast.

00:49:50 - Self-Care and Taking a Break

The speaker emphasizes the importance of self-care, particularly for those dealing with trauma or working in challenging environments. She encourages listeners to do something nice for themselves and take a break as a way to recharge and prioritize their well-being.

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In the depths of despair, Naghmeh Panahi's story holds an unexpected twist that will leave you breathless. From the war-torn streets of her homeland to the foreign shores of America, she battled not just with oppression, but with her own sense of belonging. But it was when her husband faced imprisonment in Iran that her life took a dramatic turn, revealing a truth so shocking it will make you question everything. Prepare yourself for a journey of resilience, as Naghmeh's story unravels with a heart-wrenching open loop, leaving you eager to discover the strength she found to break free.

My special guest is Naghmeh Panahi.

We are thrilled to welcome Naghmeh Panahi to the A World of Difference podcast. Naghmeh's story is one of incredible strength and resilience in the face of abuse. Having experienced domestic violence and spiritual abuse within religious institutions, she has become a beacon of hope for survivors. Her book, "I Didn't Survive: Emerging Whole After Deception, Persecution, and Hidden Abuse," is a testament to her courage and determination. Naghmeh's journey from an immigrant Muslim girl from Iran to an advocate for women and children impacted by domestic abuse is truly inspiring. Through her foundation, Tahir Al Nisa, she is making a profound impact on the lives of those who have experienced similar traumas. We are honored to have Naghmeh share her story and insights on the podcast, as she empowers others to break free from abusive relationships and find their voice. Get ready for an episode filled with empowerment and inspiration.

In this episode, you will be able to:

Uncover the Hidden Abuse

Abuse takes many forms, and often, the emotional and verbal types remain hidden from sight. In religious institutions, the power dynamics can foster such mistreatment, which goes unnoticed or is deliberately neglected. Understanding the nuanced ways in which abuse can manifest is vital to identify victims and offer them the necessary support and resources.

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

Abusive governments or abusive people try to control you think they try to control weak people, but it's actually sometimes it's trying to restrain strong people... women are really strong and that's why the government is so focused on shutting them down. - Naghmeh Panahi

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction

00:01:38 - Nagme's Background and Book

00:05:17 - Writing the Book to Help Others

00:07:06 - Immigrant Experience

00:11:41 - Identity as a Third Culture Kid

00:16:03 - Strength of Iranian Women

00:18:11 - Restriction and Fear in the Middle East

00:19:28 - Strong Women and Resistance to Oppression

00:20:53 - Inspiring Women in the Middle East

00:22:19 - Domestic Violence and Speaking Out

00:31:45 - Naghmeh's Hope for Franklin Graham

00:33:27 - Naghmeh's Thoughts on Franklin Graham

00:34:19 - The Title of Naghmeh's Book

00:38:20 - Naghmeh's Message to Those Experiencing Abuse

00:42:55 - Paying Attention to the Body's Signals

00:47:20 - The Sacrifice of Putting People First

00:47:43 - Finding Naghmeh and Her Work

00:48:21 - Gratitude for the Connection

00:49:06 - Naghmeh's Life as a Butterfly

00:50:43 - Scars of Abuse

Even when you have a strong force coming against you, whether it's government or it's a religious institution or whatever, you have to really be strengthened even more, be stronger to break through. - Naghmeh Panahi

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction

The host introduces the podcast episode and provides a trigger warning for the guest's discussion of abuse. Listeners are advised to prioritize their mental health while listening to the episode.

00:01:38 - Nagme's Background and Book

Nagme Panahi is introduced as a remarkable woman who has experienced various forms of abuse. Her book, "I Didn't Survive," details her journey of emerging whole after deception, persecution, and hidden abuse.

00:05:17 - Writing the Book to Help Others

Nagme shares that she wrote her book to help others who may be going through similar trials and to share her story of renewal and transformation through suffering.

00:07:06 - Immigrant Experience

Nagme discusses her experience as an immigrant from Iran, highlighting the challenges of adjusting to a new culture and feeling like she didn't fit in. She also reflects on the trauma of war and the limited resources in her home country.

00:11:41 - Identity as a Third Culture Kid

Nagme shares the difficulties of navigating her identity as a third culture kid, feeling neither fully Iranian nor fully American. She discusses the unique perspective and mindset that come with living between cultures.

00:16:03 - Strength of Iranian Women

The guest discusses the stereotypes and misconceptions about Iranian women, highlighting their strength and resilience. She shares stories of Iranian women breaking barriers and standing up against oppression.

00:18:11 - Restriction and Fear in the Middle East

The conversation shifts to the restrictions faced by women in the Middle East, particularly in Afghanistan. The guest emphasizes that these restrictions are a sign of fear from those in power towards strong women who may bring about change.

00:19:28 - Strong Women and Resistance to Oppression

The guest mentions several strong Iranian women who have stood up to oppressive governments and religious institutions. She highlights the importance of strength and resilience when facing challenges and how these women have become voices for change.

00:20:53 - Inspiring Women in the Middle East

The host shares her experiences meeting incredible women in the Middle East, including Malala, and hearing their stories of education and empowerment. She acknowledges the threat these women pose to those who want to suppress their voices.

00:22:19 - Domestic Violence and Speaking Out

The guest opens up about her experience of domestic violence from her husband, who was seen as a Christian hero. She discusses the challenges of speaking out and the strength she found within herself to set boundaries and break free from the abuse.

00:31:45 - Naghmeh's Hope for Franklin Graham

Naghmeh expresses her desire for Franklin Graham to use his platform to advocate for abuse survivors and bring awareness to the issue within the church. She hopes that he will repent of his harmful views and become an ally in the fight against abuse.

00:33:27 - Naghmeh's Thoughts on Franklin Graham

Naghmeh clarifies that while she doesn't currently like Franklin Graham, she doesn't hate him either. She believes that his way of thinking is harmful and hopes that he will change his perspective and become an advocate for abuse survivors.

00:34:19 - The Title of Naghmeh's Book

Naghmeh explains that the title of her book, "I Didn't Survive," reflects the transformation she went through in breaking free from cultural and religious expectations that silenced and oppressed women. She emerged as a new person with a deeper understanding of who God is and the power she possesses.

00:38:20 - Naghmeh's Message to Those Experiencing Abuse

Naghmeh urges anyone experiencing abuse, whether it's in a marriage, church, or any other institution, to prioritize their own well-being and get out of the toxic environment. She emphasizes that God values individuals more than institutions and encourages victims to trust their bodies and seek help.

00:42:55 - Paying Attention to the Body's Signals

Naghmeh highlights the importance of listening to one's body when it comes to recognizing abuse

00:47:20 - The Sacrifice of Putting People First

Naghmeh discusses the importance of prioritizing people and being willing to make sacrifices for them, even if it means losing everything. She emphasizes the simplicity of this concept while acknowledging the challenges it can present.

00:47:43 - Finding Naghmeh and Her Work

Naghmeh shares that she now has a website where people can find information about her and her work in the Middle East. She also mentions that her name can be searched on social media to access more information.

00:48:21 - Gratitude for the Connection

Lori expresses her gratitude for the opportunity to get to know Naghmeh and establish a friendship. She also acknowledges the vulnerability Naghmeh has shown through her writing and shares her appreciation for it.

00:49:06 - Naghmeh's Life as a Butterfly

Lori reflects on Naghmeh's transformation from a caterpillar to a butterfly, symbolizing her freedom and growth. She encourages listeners to find inspiration in Naghmeh's story and highlights the lessons embedded within her narrative.

00:50:43 - Scars of Abuse

Lori acknowledges the scars left by emotional, verbal, psychological, and spiritual abuse, even when they are not physically visible. She praises Naghmeh's resilience and commitment to raising awareness about abuse and dismantling systems that enable it.

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If you're feeling frustrated and overwhelmed by the lack of collaboration and creativity in your team, despite implementing countless team-building exercises and brainstorming sessions, then you are not alone! Instead of the result you're looking for, you may be experiencing a stagnant workplace culture where employees are afraid to speak up and take risks due to a lack of psychological safety.

Lori Adams-Brown is not your average podcast host. With a background in global leadership and development, she's a true expert in the field of psychological safety in the workplace. Having worked with diverse industries and organizations, Lori understands the challenges faced by managers and leaders in creating a culture of inclusivity and well-being. What sets Lori apart is her genuine passion for making a difference. She's not just here to talk about psychological safety - she's lived it. Through her own experiences and encounters with individuals who have endured workplace bullying and toxic environments, Lori has seen firsthand the impact of psychological safety on employee well-being and overall productivity. Her expertise has taken her across the globe, training workshops and sharing insights from the Center for Creative Leadership. With her A World of Difference podcast, Lori aims to empower managers and leaders with practical strategies and tips to foster psychological safety and create a workplace where everyone can thrive.

In this episode, you will be able to:

Embracing Diverse Perspectives

Innovation in the workplace thrives when diverse perspectives are not merely respected, but actively sought out. Employees from varying backgrounds bring unique insights and approaches, which can lead to breakthroughs in problem-solving and creativity. Encouraging diversity of thought supports a more inclusive work environment, drives growth, and reflects positively on the company culture.

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

Psychological safety is the number one factor in team performance. It affects everything from well-being to productivity, motivation, and employee engagement.

- Lori Adams-Brown

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction

00:01:36 - Importance of Psychological Safety

00:03:19 - Learnings from the Restore Conference

00:04:25 - Psychological Safety in California and Me Too Movement

00:08:17 - Introduction to LinkedIn Live Podcast

00:15:03 - Importance of Diversity of Thought

00:16:02 - Honoring Truth Tellers

00:17:59 - Learning from Failure

00:19:26 - Creating a Culture of Innovation

00:22:59 - Clear Communication

00:30:17 - Creating Systems to Eliminate Bullying

00:31:05 - Embracing Productive Conflict

00:32:17 - Norms Around Conflict Management

00:33:38 - Commitment to Psychological Safety

00:36:08 - Benefits of Psychological Safety

Leading by example is key. We must demonstrate vulnerability, admit our mistakes, and foster open and honest communication to create a psychologically safe workplace. - Lori Adams-Brown

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction

Lori Adams-Brown introduces the podcast episode and talks about her recent experience speaking at the Restore Conference in Chicago. She emphasizes the importance of psychological safety in the workplace and how it affects individuals across different industries and cultures.

00:01:36 - Importance of Psychological Safety

Lori reflects on her experiences in various workplaces and highlights the significance of psychological safety in creating healthy and productive work environments. She discusses the intersection of her work in tech and her previous experiences in non-profit, faith-based, and government organizations.

00:03:19 - Learnings from the Restore Conference

After attending the Restore Conference and hearing stories of workplace trauma, Lori shares the impact it had on her and the importance of providing resources for healing. She discusses the upcoming workshop she will be leading on "Listen to Understand" and how it contributes to psychological safety.

00:04:25 - Psychological Safety in California and Me Too Movement

Lori talks about the relevance of psychological safety in California, particularly in light of the #MeToo movement that exposed the psychologically and physically unsafe environments in Hollywood. She emphasizes the need to focus specifically on psychological safety and its connection to the overall well-being and growth of individuals and organizations.

00:08:17 - Introduction to LinkedIn Live Podcast

Lori introduces her LinkedIn Live session on psychological safety and invites viewers to join the conversation. She briefly mentions the importance of mental health awareness and shares that she will be providing 17 tips on creating psychological safety in the workplace.

00:15:03 - Importance of Diversity of Thought

Encouraging diverse perspectives leads to more innovative solutions and helps organizations stay relevant in a changing world.

00:16:02 - Honoring Truth Tellers

Organizations should show compassion and genuine curiosity towards those who speak up and challenge the status quo. Honoring truth tellers helps avoid blind spots and promotes innovation.

00:17:59 - Learning from Failure

Organizations should create an environment where mistakes are seen as opportunities for growth. Openly sharing lessons learned from mistakes encourages psychological safety and innovation.

00:19:26 - Creating a Culture of Innovation

Organizations should establish spaces for new and out-of-the-box ideas. Leaders should be open to questioning and encourage risk-taking to foster innovation.

00:22:59 - Clear Communication

Clear communication helps build psychological safety and prevents misunderstandings. Listening to understand and promoting dialogue are important for effective communication in the workplace.

00:30:17 - Creating Systems to Eliminate Bullying

The importance of establishing systems that promote zero tolerance for bullying and provide clear guidelines for reporting and consequences is emphasized. It is crucial to create a culture where witnesses of bullying feel safe to report incidents to HR without fear of retaliation.

00:31:05 - Embracing Productive Conflict

The significance of fostering a culture of productive conflict is discussed. By setting expectations for psychological safety and promoting sincere dialogue and constructive debate, teams can work towards resolving conflicts in a productive manner. Seeking outside help may be necessary for organizations struggling with this.

00:32:17 - Norms Around Conflict Management

Questions to ask about conflict management norms within a team are provided. It is important to assess if conflicts are handled in a safe and respectful manner, and if there are any consequences for crossing boundaries. Encouraging open communication about process concerns is also vital.

00:33:38 - Commitment to Psychological Safety

Creating an environment where individuals feel comfortable expressing their thoughts, ideas, and concerns without fear of negative consequences is emphasized. Psychological safety requires commitment from all levels of an organization and is an ongoing process that contributes to employees' well-being.

00:36:08 - Benefits of Psychological Safety

The positive impact of psychological safety on employee well-being, motivation, innovation, and organizational growth is highlighted. A psychologically safe workplace allows for open questioning, decision-making, and improvement. Creating such an environment is crucial for employee growth and satisfaction.

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In the latest episode of A World of Difference, host Lori Adams-Brown shares ten essential tips for providing trauma-informed care, drawing from her personal experiences with trauma, her professional experience translating for a trauma therapist in the Indonesian tsunami, her own training and trauma-informed certification, and her husband Jason's expertise as an MFT with a specialty in trauma therapy. What is the key to truly helping individuals heal from trauma? Find out in this gripping episode of A World of Difference.

Have you heard these myths about trauma-informed care? Myth #1: Trauma-informed care is only for people with severe trauma. Myth #2: Trauma-informed care is a one-size-fits-all approach. Myth #3: Trauma-informed care is only about therapy. In this episode, our guest Lori Adams-Brown will shed light on the truth behind these myths and share the importance of trauma-informed care in helping individuals heal from trauma.

This episode is sponsored by Better Help. Go to www.betterhelp.com/difference for 10% off your first month of therapy.

Host: Lori Adams-Brown

Lori Adams-Brown is a highly experienced and knowledgeable professional in the field of international disaster relief and development and global leadership and development with a trauma-informed care certification. With her background as a translator for a renowned trauma therapist with a specialty in childhood trauma and her own personal experience with trauma, she has gained a deep understanding of the importance of trauma-informed practices. Lori's expertise extends to working with caregivers and professionals in providing support and healing for individuals who have experienced trauma. Her commitment to learning and growing in this field led her to become a certified trauma-informed care provider. Through her work, Lori aims to create a culture of empathy, respect, and understanding, ensuring that individuals feel safe and supported on their healing journey. With her warm and friendly approach, Lori is dedicated to making a difference in the lives of trauma survivors and those who care for them.

In this episode, you will be able to:

Creating a safe and supportive environment is crucial for individuals dealing with trauma. This involves developing a physical and emotional space where individuals feel secure, seen, and understood. Ensuring confidentiality, setting clear boundaries, and providing a calming atmosphere fosters trust, a vital element in the healing journey of individuals who have experienced trauma.

Being trauma-informed means understanding the impact of trauma on individuals and creating a supportive and empathetic environment. - Lori Adams-Brown

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

Trauma recovery takes time, so it's important to be patient with individuals who are processing their feelings and experiences. - Lori Adams-Brown

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction,

00:01:20 - Personal Experience with Trauma,

00:03:39 - Sponsorship by BetterHelp,

00:04:57 - Trauma-Informed Care Tips,

00:08:38 - Celebrating Differences and Seeking Input,

00:10:17 - Social Media and Contact Information,

00:15:41 - Impact of the Tool,

00:16:12 - Join the Difference Makers Community,

00:16:35 - Share Your Tips,

00:16:58 - Connect at the Restore Conference,

00:17:24 - Keep Making a Difference,

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction,

Lori introduces the podcast, discussing the heavy topic of trauma and the importance of being trauma-informed.

00:01:20 - Personal Experience with Trauma,

Lori shares her personal experiences with trauma, including translating for a trauma therapist and her own experience of abuse in the workplace.

00:03:39 - Sponsorship by BetterHelp,

Lori mentions the sponsor of the podcast, BetterHelp, and emphasizes the importance of seeking professional help for trauma and other issues.

00:04:57 - Trauma-Informed Care Tips,

Lori discusses ten tips for being trauma-informed, including educating oneself, creating a safe environment, respecting personal boundaries, and practicing active listening.

00:08:38 - Celebrating Differences and Seeking Input,

Lori emphasizes the importance of understanding and respecting individual differences in trauma experiences and invites listeners to share their own trauma-informed care tips.

00:10:17 - Social Media and Contact Information,

Lori shares her social media handles and discusses the suspension of her Twitter account, but mentions the podcast's Twitter account and invites listeners to reach out with their tips.

00:15:41 - Impact of the Tool,

The guest discusses the impact of a tool in helping abuse survivors in a faith-based setting. He emphasizes the importance of the tool and its effectiveness in group therapy sessions.

00:16:12 - Join the Difference Makers Community,

The host invites listeners to join the Difference Makers community, where they can access content from previous episodes and engage in discussions with other members. Membership is priced at $5 a month.

00:16:35 - Share Your Tips,

Listeners are encouraged to share their tips and insights in the community. The host expresses excitement about hearing their thoughts and encourages participation.

00:16:58 - Connect at the Restore Conference,

The host invites listeners attending the Restore Conference in Chicago to come to say hi and meet in person. She expresses gratitude for the support and listenership from around the world.

00:17:24 - Keep Making a Difference,

The host concludes by thanking the listeners for their continued support and encouraging them to make a difference wherever they are.

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In a world of secrets and betrayal, Mary DeMuth found her voice through writing. But when she mustered the courage to share her story, she faced the unthinkable: rejection from loved ones. Now, she's on a mission to confront abuse within religious institutions, but will the church be ready to listen?

This episode is sponsored by Better Health.

My special guest is Mary DeMuth

Mary DeMuth is an accomplished writer and speaker with an extensive body of work, including almost 50 published books. Her latest release, the 90 Day Bible Reading Challenge, showcases her dedication to helping others restory their lives through the power of words. In addition to her literary achievements, Mary is a survivor of childhood abuse, and her book We Too sheds light on the complex issue of abuse within faith communities. Through her writing and advocacy, Mary has become a powerful voice for change, challenging religious institutions to address and prevent abuse. Her insights and personal experiences make her a highly respected figure in the field. With a wealth of knowledge and a genuine desire to empower survivors, Mary DeMuth is a guest whose expertise and story will resonate with listeners of "A World of Difference."

"I kind of am the, I don't know, the crash test dummy of authors because I've tried everything and there was no romantic story about being discovered one day. It was just a hard slog." Mary DeMuth

In this episode, you will be able to:

"So it was born out of just this frustration that I believe faith communities are some of the best places to heal from trauma and abuse, or they should be. So often they've become not only perpetrators of that kind of violence, but also secondary trauma of not believing, of blaming the victim. Oddly, for me, the church for me was a very healing place. I completely acknowledge that for many people, that is not the truth and not the case." Mary DeMuth

Gain insight into the unique challenges survivors face. Survivors of abuse within religious settings are confronted with a unique set of challenges. The expectation of religious institutions to serve as safe havens can often lead to greater harm when they fail to provide support and understanding. As Mary highlights, these systems are often ill-equipped to handle cases of abuse, making the journey toward healing more difficult for survivors. This episode provides a crucial look at these challenges and offers guidance for overcoming them.

The resources mentioned in this episode are:

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The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:00 - Introduction,

00:05:00 - Becoming a Writer,

00:09:37 - We Too,

00:11:32 - Healing in the Church,

00:13:30 - Impact and Takeaways,

00:15:46 - The Cost of Silence,

00:17:32 - Writing for Healing,

00:19:17 - Facing Fear and Finding Strength,

00:21:15 - Speaking Out and Facing Backlash,

00:25:51 - The Burden of Fixing a Broken System,

00:30:56 - The Difficulty of Leaving an Abusive Church,

00:34:15 - God and Abusive Systems,

00:35:53 - Lack of Trauma Awareness in Religious Contexts,

00:37:01 - The Long Journey of Healing,

00:39:08 - Gaining a New Perspective through Overseas Experience,

00:45:51 - Recognizing the Importance of Context and Genre in Bible Reading,

00:46:18 - Descriptive vs Prescriptive in Biblical Interpretation,

00:47:01 - Challenging Misconceptions about Bathsheba's Blame,

00:47:56 - Recognizing Abuse in the Biblical Narrative,

00:49:04 - Finding Healing and Hope in Sharing Abuse Stories,

The cost of silence is born in our bodies and our souls, our brains, and it comes out, it spills out like hot tea that's overflowing and it's not something you can really keep a lid on. - Lori Adams-Brown

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:00 - Introduction,

The episode deals with heavy topics such as abuse and listener discretion is advised. The host introduces the guest, Mary DeMuth, who is a literary agent, speaker, and author of nearly 50 books. They discuss writing and the journey of becoming a writer.

00:05:00 - Becoming a Writer,

Mary shares her journey of becoming a writer and offers advice to aspiring writers. She emphasizes the importance of just starting and giving oneself permission to write poorly at first. She also highlights the accessibility of publishing in today's digital age.

00:09:37 - We Too,

Mary explains that she was inspired to write "We Too" due to brokenness and pain within religious institutions. She believes that faith communities should be safe havens for healing, but often perpetrate abuse or contribute to secondary trauma. Mary shares her own positive experience with church as a healing place.

00:11:32 - Healing in the Church,

The host shares her recent experience at a church panel on abuse and healing. She mentions survivors who found healing within the church, despite their abusive experiences outside of it. They discuss the importance of creating safe spaces within religious institutions for survivors of trauma and abuse.

00:13:30 - Impact and Takeaways,

"We Too" has made a significant impact within the community, addressing the issue of abuse in religious contexts. Mary hopes readers will understand the need for churches to become safe havens and to prevent and heal from abuse. The conversation ends

00:15:46 - The Cost of Silence,

Mary discusses the impact of silence on our bodies and souls and emphasizes the importance of finding a way to share our stories, even if it's through writing. Writing can help process trauma and uncover deeper layers of healing.

00:17:32 - Writing for Healing,

Mary and the host discuss the power of writing in processing trauma and sharing one's story. Writing allows for a different level of reflection and can lead to unexpected insights and healing.

00:19:17 - Facing Fear and Finding Strength,

Mary shares her experience of writing a chapter about her abuse and confronting her fears of being disbelieved and rejected by her parents. Despite her fears coming true, she finds strength in standing up for herself and continues to write her story.

00:21:15 - Speaking Out and Facing Backlash,

The host shares her own experience of speaking out and facing backlash within the church. She discusses the fear of being slandered and the importance of speaking up for survivors of abuse. Mary reflects on her role in the Southern Baptist Convention and the challenges of trying to change a system.

00:25:51 - The Burden of Fixing a Broken System,

Mary talks about the difficulties of trying to change a broken system and the toll it takes on survivors. She emphasizes the need for healing and providing safe spaces for survivors, rather than expecting them to fix a broken system.

00:30:56 - The Difficulty of Leaving an Abusive Church,

Mary shares her experience of being in an abusive situation and the internal struggle she faced when deciding whether to stay or leave. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing when one has tried multiple times to repair a broken system but faced resistance each time, indicating that it may be time to leave.

00:34:15 - God and Abusive Systems,

Mary discusses the misconception that God wants individuals to stay in abusive systems. She highlights the importance of questioning leaders and systems and how the inability to question or challenge authority is a sign of a toxic and abusive situation. She encourages individuals to prioritize their well-being and safety.

00:35:53 - Lack of Trauma Awareness in Religious Contexts,

Mary points out that many religious systems are not trauma-informed, which can make it challenging for survivors of sexual abuse to find healing and support within a religious context. She highlights the need for more training in churches to address and understand trauma.

00:37:01 - The Long Journey of Healing,

Mary emphasizes that healing from trauma takes time and cannot be rushed. She shares her personal experience of assuming she had healed after being prayed for but later realizing that trauma can resurface in different stages of life. She encourages survivors to be patient with themselves.

00:39:08 - Gaining a New Perspective through Overseas Experience,

Mary reflects on her time spent overseas in France and how it shifted her perspective on Christian communities and the interpretation of scripture. She learned to

00:45:51 - Recognizing the Importance of Context and Genre in Bible Reading,

The Bible is a collection of ancient scriptures written by different people over many years. It is important to recognize the ancient context and different genres of the text when reading it. The guest believes that the Bible has something to say to us today.

00:46:18 - Descriptive vs Prescriptive in Biblical Interpretation,

Not everything in the Bible is prescriptive, some parts are descriptive. It is crucial to understand the difference between these two approaches when interpreting the text. The example of Bathsheba's story is given to illustrate this point.

00:47:01 - Challenging Misconceptions about Bathsheba's Blame,

The guest emphasizes that Bathsheba is not blamed in the Bible for the events that occurred with King David. The negative narratives and victim-blaming that have been perpetuated by some pastors are not supported by the plain reading of the text.

00:47:56 - Recognizing Abuse in the Biblical Narrative,

Although the word "abuse" may not be used in the Bible, the implications of abuse can be identified in certain narratives. The story of Bathsheba and King David serves as an example of the abuse of power and the consequences that follow.

00:49:04 - Finding Healing and Hope in Sharing Abuse Stories,

The guest shares her personal experience of sharing her story of abuse and the rejection she faced. She encourages others to find inspiration and hope in her story

It's that thing you're most afraid of, that if you actually just are brave enough to face it and name the fear and just go forward anyway, even if you face everything you thought, somehow it catapults you into something so much bigger, and now you have this huge field to run and play in and be brave. - Lori Adams-Brown

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If you're feeling frustrated and disheartened by the lack of progress in promoting human dignity and human rights, despite your efforts to bring about change through petitions, protests, and advocacy, then you are not alone! Instead of witnessing a tangible shift towards a more inclusive and just society, you may be encountering apathy, resistance, and even backlash, which can leave you questioning the effectiveness of your actions and the possibility of true transformation.

My special guest is Carmen Imes

A respected voice in theological discussions and publications, Carmen Imes's scholarship illuminates human dignity's divine origins. A distinguished associate professor of Old Testament at Biola University, her insights stem from comprehensive study and immersive experiences. Dr. Imes's works include the influential trilogy, with the latest installment titled Being God's Image: Why Creation Still Matters. Beyond academia, Carmen shares her perspectives with a broader public, through platforms such as Christianity Today and the Politics of Theology blog. Life experiences in the Philippines and a strong commitment to enhancing human flourishing reveal her genuine passion for the subject.

In this episode, you will be able to:

Refreshing exploration of faithfulness

Carmen Imes shines a light on the importance of exploring faith in a holistic manner. Tied to the overarching theme of human dignity and rights, her exploration of faithfulness permeates all aspects of life -- from academia to our daily interactions. By immersing ourselves in a diverse range of perspectives, we gain a more expansive understanding of faith, transforming both our own life experiences and our impact on society.

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Our identity is not something that we self-construct or that we're responsible for coming up with ourselves or creating ourselves, but that it's given to us by God and that every human being is inherently valuable and has inherent dignity. - Carmen Imes

The key moments in this episode are:

00:00:02 - Introduction,

00:03:22 - Understanding Imago Dei,

00:06:35 - Christians and Mistreatment of Others,

00:10:00 - Acknowledging Mistreatment by Christians,

00:11:41 - Learning from Cross-Cultural Experiences,

00:16:44 - Celebrating Diversity and Different Perspectives,

00:18:03 - Lack of Representation in Theological Education,

00:20:48 - Addressing Human Rights Abuses in the US,

00:25:19 - The Value of Minority Perspectives,

00:28:49 - Embracing Equality and God's Design,

00:31:41 - The Original Vision for Creation,

00:32:38 - Loving Ourselves and Others,

00:33:41 - Microaggressions and Difficult Conversations,

00:34:14 - Benevolent Stewardship,

00:38:53 - The Restorative Power of Rest,

00:46:39 - Conclusion,

This is why we need to listen to diverse voices because they are noticing and having the courage to speak out about things that the majority culture is either not seeing or it would cost them too much to say. - Carmen Imes

Timestamped summary of this episode:

00:00:02 - Introduction,

Lori Adams Brown introduces the podcast and introduces Dr. Carmen Imes as the guest for the episode. They will be discussing Dr. Imes's book, "Being God's Image: Why Creation Still Matters" and the concept of imago Dei.

00:03:22 - Understanding Imago Dei,

Dr. Imes explains the concept of imago Dei, which means "image of God." She emphasizes that every human being, regardless of religion, gender, or race, is created by God with inherent dignity and worth.

00:06:35 - Christians and Mistreatment of Others,

Dr. Imes acknowledges the historical and current mistreatment of others by Christians. She apologizes for the harm caused and encourages Christians to rethink their engagement with the world, seeing others as fellow images of God.

00:10:00 - Acknowledging Mistreatment by Christians,

Dr. Imes apologizes to anyone who has personally been hurt by Christians or the Church. She affirms that mistreatment does not align with God's heart and emphasizes the importance of recognizing the inherent dignity and worth of all human beings.

00:11:41 - Learning from Cross-Cultural Experiences,

Dr. Imes shares her experiences living in the Philippines and interacting with people from different cultures. She discusses how these experiences have opened her eyes to a wider world and the need to read more globally to understand and engage with others better.

00:16:44 - Celebrating Diversity and Different Perspectives,

The podcast is about celebrating the different gifts and strengths we all have and learning from each other. The guest shares her experience of growing up in Latin America and learning about liberation theology. She also mentions the importance of diverse voices in academia and reading books by authors from different backgrounds.

00:18:03 - Lack of Representation in Theological Education,

The guest reflects on her experience in seminary and the lack of representation of women and non-white scholars in the textbooks and reading lists. She emphasizes the importance of diversifying the voices we listen to and the need to include perspectives from women and people of color in theological education.

00:20:48 - Addressing Human Rights Abuses in the US,

The conversation shifts to the issue of human rights abuses in the US, particularly within white evangelical circles. The guest points out the tendency to focus on abuses in other countries while ignoring the problems within their own communities. She encourages white evangelicals to listen to diverse voices and recognize the issues present in their own context.

00:25:19 - The Value of Minority Perspectives,

The guest shares a story from the book of Jeremiah that highlights the value of minority perspectives in recognizing and addressing human rights violations. She emphasizes the importance of listening to diverse voices and the unique insights they bring to the conversation.

00:28:49 - Embracing Equality and God's Design,

The conversation concludes with a discussion on gender equality in the church. The guest encourages readers to reflect

00:31:41 - The Original Vision for Creation,

Carmen Imes emphasizes the importance of going back to Genesis 1 and 2 to understand God's original design for humanity. She encourages listeners to work towards God's ideal of human flourishing rather than perpetuating the fallen world of Genesis 3.

00:32:38 - Loving Ourselves and Others,

Imes highlights the importance of loving ourselves as women and rejecting the idea that we are secondary or lesser than men. She also emphasizes Jesus' message of loving our neighbor as ourselves, which includes embracing our own worth.

00:33:41 - Microaggressions and Difficult Conversations,

Imes acknowledges the challenges women face when discussing gender equality and the resistance they often encounter. She expresses gratitude for those who persist in having these conversations in difficult spaces.

00:34:14 - Benevolent Stewardship,

Imes discusses the concept of ruling as a form of benevolent stewardship. She highlights the importance of creating space for others to flourish and the responsibility to share resources for the well-being of both humans and animals.

00:38:53 - The Restorative Power of Rest,

Imes emphasizes the significance of rest and the Sabbath as a counter-cultural practice in a society that values constant productivity. She highlights the need to recognize our limitations and the importance of resting for our own well-being and the well-being of others.

00:46:39 - Conclusion,

The conversation comes to an end as the guest says goodbye.

Refreshing exploration of faithfulness

Carmen Imes shines a light on the importance of exploring faith in a holistic manner. Tied to the overarching theme of human dignity and rights, her exploration of faithfulness permeates all aspects of life -- from academia to our daily interactions. By immersing ourselves in a diverse range of perspectives, we gain a more expansive understanding of faith, transforming both our own life experiences and our impact on society.

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