Adam Grant says that perfectionists get three things wrong: they obsess about silly and insignificant details, they avoid taking risks that could lead to growth and they don’t learn from their mistakes because they’re too busy beating themselves up. Grant should know. He writes about his perfectionist tendencies in his new book, Hidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things.

He says rather than striving for flawlessness, real achievement comes from making mistakes, putting yourself in uncomfortable and unfamiliar situations, standing up for your values, asking for advice, connecting with others and tapping into something he calls “harmonious passion.” Adam Grant joins us to talk about being a recovering perfectionist and how to unlock the hidden talents we all have.