A live one from Detroit with adrienne and Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson who is a marine biologist, policy expert, writer, and teacher working to help create the best possible climate future. Ayana is the host of the podcast, What If We Get It Right?

The conversation and moderated by Orlando P. Bailey of Outlier Media. This conversation was hosted by Urban Consulate, supported by the Kresge Foundation. 

This episode was produced and edited by Nora Saks and Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson with recording help in Detroit from Afrochine. It is also being released on the podcast adrienne co-hosts with her sister, autumn brown, called How to Survive the End of the World.

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