In this episode of Indiana 250 Off the Record, host Nate Feltman talks with Al Hubbard, president of E&A Industries and a veteran of two presidential administrations. Hubbard shares how a sixth-grade classroom sparked his lifelong interest in public policy, leading to high-level roles with Vice Presidents Dan Quayle and Dick Cheney and President George W. Bush. He discusses his experience running businesses across diverse industries, his work on education reform—including Indiana’s charter and voucher expansion—and his efforts to lower hospital costs through Hoosiers for Affordable Healthcare. Hubbard also reflects on leadership, legacy, and why he passed on a role in the Trump administration.