For this episode I spoke to Kelsie Nabben (@kelsiemvn), a qualitative researcher on resilience in decentralised technologies and governance at RMIT in Australia. She recently co-wrote a piece titled Aligning the concept of ‘Decentralized Autonomous Organization’ to Precedents in Cybernetics with Michael Zargham whom you may know from a previous episode. Kelsie also publishes on her Substack about  decentralised digital infrastructure, security, and society.

During the interview we spoke about her previous work in one of the first crypto applications to do an ICO in Australia, her switch to academia to study decentralised systems more closely, and how cybernetics can be used as a framework for understanding and designing DAOs. The article she co-wrote is probably one of the most interesting pieces I've read on DAOs and highly encourage people to check it out!

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