Mark and Kenny get down to the nitty-gritty (and steamy) throw back to 1992’s Erotica.  Topics include game-changing weather, cunnilingus, vitamins and filth, Kanye West and Yeezus, baseline and hand claps, gold star gays, pole dancing, the physical challenges of sexual positioning and particular turn-ons, multiple leaking demos, and when is the right time to return to “Vogue.”  Plus Mark tells tales out of altar boy school (while sharing a sapphic confession), Kenny defends the big swings on Rebel Heart, and Madonna finally vanquishes her Catholic shame. 

Kenny and Mark pop up the hood and take this romantic romp of a song out for a spin with Madonna Get Together podcast host Wayne Parker! Topics include vehicular high jinks, having fun, over-thinking and staying out of the way, electro-shock, Sabrina Carpenter, sequels to songs from True Blue and Madonna, role-playing, driving stick shift, car CD players, snacks, Lady Gaga, Aston Martins, Nikki Sue Trott, Rolls Royces, Austin Powers’ SHAGuar, mechanics, trollies, and does Madonna still go to the DMV?  Plus, Kenny spring a pop quiz, Wayne performs a Madonna tribute in Virginia (and plays kickball), and Mark floats a theory about Sam Smith’s “Unholy”. 

Mark and Kenny amp up the drama (and military drums) with special guest Jess Rothschild (host of Hot Takes & Deep Dives and Finding Fire Island) to discuss one of the most vulnerable songs in the entire canon.  Topics include piano deliciousness, public humiliation, ten songwriters, Sean Penn, cinema demos, terrible waiters, Joe’s Pub, and Madonna’s last private relationship.  Plus Jess shares the moment her fitness world collides with Madonna, her personal understanding of heartbreak, and her just-dropped Cult of Body and Soul documentary podcast series.  “More to follow!”

Kenny and Mark explore the part that no one sees in the soaring (and strange) anthem from Rebel Heart.  Topics include being in an “era”, current slang, mite bites, Mike Tyson Mysteries, Head of the Class, Mohammed Ali, Robin Givens, Jay-Z, Amy Schumer, Chance the Rapper, Save Money, icons and gods as examples, Avicii’s cinematic choices, and a deep dive into the endurance and character of Mike Tyson.  Plus, Madonna goes to see Big Top Pee Wee!  “Good morning Ironic."

Mark and Kenny unsheathe their swords to discuss this powerful and beautiful ballad about mortality, battle, inspiration, and the pulsating humanity that lies beneath it all.  Special Guest Jesse Factor joins the conversation to discuss remixing Martha Graham & Madonna together in his thrilling dance show The Marthaodyssey and the many muses found in his work as both a dancer and a choreographer - and mega fan Manny Melendez shares a poem inspired by the song and his own philosophy of artistic endurance.  Plus, the All I Want To Do is Talk About Madonna Institute launches its Call for Projects - get those artist statements together!

Find Jesse Factor here: www.jessefactor.com 

Kenny and Mark pick up the story of this anthemic, enduring tracks from Rebel Heart.  Topics include: the haunting MNEK, Ryan Tedder, apocalyptic lyrics, Joan Rivers, survival techniques, alternative melodies, drumming, and the power of a solo Madonna producer credit.  Plus, another alternative release concept for Rebel Heart to consider and the priority of reaching out, making time, and being together.  Only love tonight, babes. 

Mark and Kenny conclude the Season of the Bitch by twerking their way through this maximalist third single from Rebel Heart.  Topic include Diplo, finales, taking the day, the return of Nicki Minaj, colorful pop art synths, boundaries, plantar fasciitis, pale ale beers, the Standard Hotel, Wicked Part 2, pools in Westchester, neighbors Barry and Fran, Lil B, Charli xcx, celebrity cameos (Beyonce! Chris Rock! Alexander Wang!), Rocco’s man bun, David Banda’s coming out on the dance floor, sock puppets, roughing up the cops, and partying on Madonna’s terms.  London’s premiere drag pop star BABY/FACE picks up the phone for a ribald conversation about the brilliant and much-missed electro-pop pioneer (and song collaborator) SOPHIE and her impact on BABY/FACE’s fabulous EP “Harpy”.  Plus, the danger of sitting during a Madonna television performance, Kenny sends poetic voice memos at 5AM, and Mark dances naked on a table in Greece!  Who do you think YOU are? 

“Bitch I’m Madonna” video, directed by Jonas Åkerlund (2015)

“Bitch I’m Madonna” live on The Tonight Show (2015)

BABY/FACE’s Artist Page on Spotify - LISTEN TO IT ALL!

Kenny and Mark hide from the all-seeing eye to wrestle with this polarizing track from Rebel Heart.  Topic include the golden calf, the arrival of Mike Dean, stoners, the true definition of the illuminati, the potential to dance, a reckoning with Kanye West (past & present), Claire Dederer’s Monsters: A Fan’s Dilemma, iconography, the TIDAL signing, and the desire (and danger) of channeling power to help others.  Plus, Kenny makes Mark watch The Kardashians!  “Don’t make it into something sordid!” 

Mark and Kenny continue the Season of the Bitch w/ this bratty lost demo from the Rebel Heart era.  Topics include Natalia Kills, Rosalind Shays, STDs, Anne Sexton, Brahim Zaibat, Nicole Winhoffer, the allure of vindictive cleverness, hooking up in a sauna, knowledge as power, Orville Peck, Khloe Kardashian’s podcast, Paul Mescal, French theatergoers and Tennessee Williams, not applauding Cate Blanchett, karmic betrayal, Mark’s neighbor Florinda, and whether or not there is a ‘no fraternization’ policy in the Inner Circle.  Plus, Kenny has a bathroom emergency at BAM and Mark calls out a basic bitch in the audience at AStreetcar Named Desire.  “This is a special time.”

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Mark and Kenny get their Reggaeton swagger going to discuss the sassy shoulda-been-a-single from Rebel Heart.  Topics include Toby Gad, Garcia & Teenwolf, the primal urge to get up and go out post-break-up, Justin Bieber, ex-boyfriend group texts, shooting weekends with Guy Ritchie, Kieran Culkin, The Weekend, tsunami alarms, Bette Davis, James Baldwin, and a surprise encounter with a favorite bitch (and pioneer) … TINA!  Plus, a detour into that deranged Bond tribute at the 2025 Academy Awards and Mark writes a fan letter to his spirit animal Stockard Channing ahead of his trip back to the UK.